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27 Aug 2009 09:28 AM

Hey Guys-

I'll try to keep this as organized and clear as possible....here goes.

First of all here is the plan I will be building. http://www.dantyree.com/plans/martinique/


I will be modifying the plan to reduce the length of the glass walls, they will be broken down to allow columns between every other one.

1600 sq. ft. a 40x40 box I am having the plan modified to have a low pitch shed roof, and straight corners instead of the rounded ones shown. Much of the labor and finish work will be done by me. I will be contracting out the concrete work though.

#1 - I will be building this home on an insulated slab with radiant heat. does anyone know the approximate price of a poured 40x40 slab in southwest Virginia, I will have all excavation done all the contractor needs to do is pour the slab.

#2 - This is obviously a very modern home and floor plan, in keeping with that theme I will be polishing the concrete floors through out the house as opposed to other flooring options.

#3 - I love ICF's for the efficiency but the cost is kind of scary, $13-15 a sq ft of wall space is what I'm getting from most people. So 160 perimeter ft of wall x 9 ft height = 1440 sq ft of wall area, 1440 x 14.50 sq ft = 20,880 for the walls alone. Does this seem accurate?

#4 - I have been seriously considering using a dry stack appearance faux stone finish on the outside of the home, any ideas how much 1440 sq ft of faux stone and required flashing would be assuming I installed it myself?

#5 - Because I'm a little strange I love the appearance of bare concrete, both polished and sandblasted. That combined with the style of home led me to look into poured concrete sandwich walls. This seems like it would be the obvious cheapest route. I could sandblast or stamp and stain the exterior walls instead of paying more to attach some kind of cladding. I could also leave the interior walls bare as opposed to drywall or some other finish. Can anyone offer a system that accomplishes this? Also a rough cost comparison to ICF, as well as a performance comparison.

#6 - I have been researching poured concrete roof's also, I figure why build a superior home and put the same old wood roof on it. I havent found anyone locally to quote a concrete roof so I was wondering if some of you guys might have some ideas on the cost. I have been looking at LiteDeck, and the Amdeck system, the one that seemed it may be the cheapest and easiest is Block joist system. My roof will be nearly flat, 1:12 pitch and again a 42x42 square. Any ideas what it would cost versuses a traditional shed roof with metal roofing? Assuming I built the wood roof myself.

Thanks, Sorry it was so long and rambling hopefully some of you experts can get me going in the right direction.

-Josh

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27 Aug 2009 11:47 AM
i live in a house like this...
if you provide email i'll respond...
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27 Aug 2009 05:41 PM
#3 If that is the going rate in your area, it is what it is. But keep in mind that is your framing or structure, insulation, sheathing, vapor barrier and you can take your time finishing it. And it is stronger than most anything else. #4 Manufactured stone may run $18 to $24 square foot. #5 Thermo-mass has the insulation in the middle and concrete both sides. I don't like it because there is not as much insulation and the concrete thickness divided is not as strong as monolithic. Lite-deck tilt up might be an option, you finish one side and the other is concrete with your choice of finish. I have no idea the cost of tilt-up Lite-deck. #6 Add Insul-deck and soon to be BuildBlock's new insulating floor form. I like the versatility and price point of Lite-Deck. Try $14-$18 sf for Lite-Deck plus roofing. I think EPDM membrane on poured Lite-Deck then a topping of a couple inches of concrete would be a good choice for a roof.
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28 Aug 2009 04:11 PM
The latest TF system uses a vertical side to side ladder support for the ICF panels/walls that can be broken away (after the foam is removed on either the inside and/or the outside), leaving a concrete surface showing, (if thats your thing)?

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28 Aug 2009 04:21 PM
#5 - stay away from sandwiched insulation - i have a guy with a 6000 sqft home and he can never heat it up... why would you want insulation sandwiched... sounds like a silly idea to me...
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28 Aug 2009 04:28 PM
#6, consider quad-deck, hambro, insul-deck, hollow core...
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27 Sep 2009 06:27 PM
stay away from sandwiched insulation - i have a guy with a 6000 sqft home and he can never heat it up... why would you want insulation sandwiched... sounds like a silly idea to me...

What do you call a cavity filled with fiberglass insulation, if not a sandwich?

Concrete + Foam + Concrete is not silly... it is outstanding.

However, if an architect / engineer / builder did not use enough insulation, or perforated the envelope with thermal bridges, or didn't account for the specific heat of the materials... that's not the fault of concrete sandwich construction.

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29 Sep 2009 09:33 AM
What do you call a cavity filled with fiberglass insulation, if not a sandwich?

I would call that a waste of time and money. :)
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29 Sep 2009 09:58 AM
"Concrete + Foam + Concrete is not silly... it is outstanding." I would say good or great compared to light weight framing. But compared to ICFs it lacks strength, insulation, attachment points, ease of use an so on.
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30 Sep 2009 11:28 AM
From the plans, there does not appear to be much support internally for a flat roof with concrete AND snow loads. Make sure the roof is designed properly. What works in the tropics, may not in the mtns of VA. Just my 2 cents.
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