Quantam International's ICF Product
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08 Dec 2009 08:37 PM

I'm looking into Quantum International's ICF product.  Attached is a summary of what I've been able to learn so far (brochure published by Quantum).

I'd be grateful for any comments on experience with or knowledge of this product.

Many thanks!

Best regards,

Bill

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Why Choose Quantum Insulating Concrete Forms?

Whether you're building a home or a multi-level commercial structure, you can't beat the benefits of building with Quantum ICFs. Quantum ICFs are completely reversible and combine the standard features you've come to expect in quality ICFs with some unique benefits you'll find no where else.

Here are the many advantages Quantum ICFs have over other manufactures' ICFs:

Fully Reversible: Quantum ICFs are 100% reversible while the vast majority of all ICFs are non-reversible or only partly reversible. This means when you pick up a Quantum ICF, you don't waste your time determining if the ICF needs to be turned up or down or left or right to be installed. With a reversible ICF like Quantum, it always fits no matter which way you turn it. When it comes to corners, one Quantum ICF corner is the same for right or left applications. Non-reversible ICFs come in left and right hand corners which create several disadvantages. First, our distributors tell us they can't count the times when they' ve picked up the wrong corner with other ICFs and marched to the far end of an installation only to find they needed the other hand corner. Second, when you get to the last course there is a good chance you will have the wrong corners (left or right) remaining. The waste factor for fully reversible ICFs can be as little as 1 or 2%, while waste factors of 5% or more are common with non-reversible ICFs. When using products other than Quantum ICFs, you must take this into account, as well as the extra cost for the extra ICFs needed to do the job.

2. Corner Blocks: QUANTUM 90o and 45o ICF corner blocks are 6" longer on each leg than the industry standard. The many advantages this gives to our product include shorter offsets that get you past the crucial short offset. This eliminates many hours of extra corner bracing and extra strapping. The longer corner blocks prevent corner pullout and head joints from opening up leaving you with a wall that isn't plumb or straight. When corners pull out this can typically lead to blowouts which are common in the industry among other ICFs. The extended corner form significantly reduces corner shifting and enhances the overall stability of every pour. On a 4 to 5 day job this can amount to a full days savings in labor costs.

3. Numbered and Marked Cut Lines: Quantum ICFs have horizontal and vertical cut lines on both sides of the ICF which allow for much faster and more efficient installation times. The ability to pick a horizontal line for your window and door headers saves countless time in the field. No need for a level to mark a level line to cut on. There is no longer a need to measure your vertical cuts. Simply note the measurement number on the block and cut on its line for a custom cut piece that fits every time.

4. Horizontal Connections: Quantum ICFs are not a tongue-and-groove or ship-lapstyle form. There are a few brands of ICFs on the market that still use the old school technology. They are much inferior to modern ICFs since tongue and groove blocks don’t have interlocking nubs. This causes other ICFs to be more material and labor intensive (including using excessive amounts of glue, strapping tape, zip-ties, form lock, bracing and crew training). Quantum’s 1-inch repeating pattern and its molded cut lines prealign the installation of our ICF and eliminate block alignment issues that other ICFs create. This eliminates block misalignment and the built in furring strips from not lining up, giving you a better job every time. Just wait until you have to explain to your sheet rockers why the furring strips don't line up with the use of older style forms. The self alignment of Quantum ICFs solves all these headaches and many more. This also reduces the need for glue and other methods of holding the blocks together. Waste on every project is further reduced.

5. Half Height Cutting: QUANTUM ICFs are easily cut in half to make half height forms. With the unique web design the half height form needs no additional bracing. This allows for special height walls without wasting half a block or more on each cut. Use both halves thus eliminating the waste and the extra cuts needed with other ICFs. This also eliminates the need to order special height forms with other systems (if they make them). In addition, the built-in rebar scallops on the inside of the web will also hold your rebar in place as well.

6. Block Bonding: QUANTUM ICFs bond out to even and odd inches from outside to outside and inside to outside corners. They also have a minimum bump factor of -inch when necessary. Of all ICFs in the industry today that have interlocking nubs, most of them have a bump factor of 1 inch or more. (Some ICFs have up to a 6-inch bump factor.) This transforms into less waste on every project as well as walls that match the floor plans of your designs. Another great benefit of Quantum's interlocking connections is the self draining nature of the design. When it rains, water doesn't pool in the connections as can occur with other ICFs. Therefore, in freezing weather there's no water to freeze keeping you from stacking the next day until everything thaws.

7. Tie Web Spacing/Attach Points: Quantum ICFs have web spacing on 6 inch centers.  Most ICFs come with 8 to 12 inch spacing on the webs. This is a cost-cutting feature and as a result reduces the over all performance and quality of the project. The 6-inch spacing eliminates the scallop effect of the concrete pressure distorting the ICFs on the outside during the pour. Also, it further reduces the chance of any blowouts. Having two extra furring strips per block per side (which are part of each web) give sheet rockers more attachment points to fasten to. Webs are expensive and having two more webs in our ICFs gives you the most value added product on the market. All furring strips are 15" tall by 1.5" wide per 16" course and have two distinctive marked (sweet) spots on each furring strip at 8 inch centers vertically and 6 inch centers horizontally. These spots have a screw pull out strength that is roughly equivalent to wood or structural steel studs (close to 500lbs). Deeper snap-in rebar saddles accommodate two #5 rebar and the patented corner tie is 6" x 6" wide and 2.5" tall for simplified corner attachments. All ties or furring strips are recessed-inch to allow stucco or EIFS applications as approved by the manufacturers.

Why installers choose Quantum ICFs over the competition:

1. Quantum ICFs are totally reversible.
2. Quantum ICFs are completely assembled.
3. Quantum ICFs are industry standard size: 16 high x 48 long.
4. Quantum ICFs have strong interlocking connections.
5. Quantum ICFs have a 1-inch repeating cut pattern.
6. Quantum ICFs feature molded-in horizontal cut lines.
7. Quantum ICFs feature molded-in, numbered vertical cut lines.
8. Quantum ICFs have a high-density plastic web molded into place every 6 inches on center.

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09 Dec 2009 11:38 AM
Bill,
Would you have a link to this info for us intrested?
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09 Dec 2009 12:32 PM
Bill,

That is very impressive information, do you by chance work for Quantum? Over the years I have gotten pretty good at finding things on the internet and there is NOTHING to be found on Quantum. I would love to know more about how you were so successful in researching them? I couldn't even find a phone number or address for them. Hell if you google them, the only thing that comes up is your post!

How in the world do you expect anyone on this board to take your post seriously without any information on the company? Forgive me, put posts like this just wind up driving me nuts!
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09 Dec 2009 01:06 PM
A link to information on the Web is at http://www.quantuminternational.biz/ .  Information on the ICF product is limited -  see Philippine Products, Charities, and Distributor links for references to the ICF product.

The information I wrote in my first posting above is from a brochure I recently received - "ICS Promo III - 12/04/09."

I too found information on the product to be limited, and hence my question in my earlier post.

I'm a pretty well respected contributor to Greenbuildingtalk's Geothermal forum, a reasonably active area compared to other geothermal related alternatives to Greenbuildingtalk.  I noticed that this forum (ICF) is even more active, thus probably enhancing the chances of having well respected ICF industry leaders participating.  Hence my question posted here to the ICF forum versus somewhere else.

No, I am not employed by Quantum, nor am I employed or work in the construction industry.  I do have strong expertise in a number of renewable energy technologies, particularly geothermal and to a lessor degree solar, and with the technology behind system and energy monitoring.  I do have some knowledge of ICF.

My question about Quantum's ICF product is a product of working an effort to understand and possibly facilitate funding opportunities for low- to moderate-income housing in my city (Plano - 1/4 M pop.) or county (Collin), in TX.  I'm a member of Rotary International, an organization of business leaders that continually work on efforts to better the community.  And I serve my city as an appointed public official.

The only additional information I have is a brochure describing Quantum's Shelters Plus Initiative, and an ICF Promo for (solicitation of ) Distributors in the U.S (brochure too).

In the above web link, there is contact information for it's Houston office.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Bill
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09 Dec 2009 01:24 PM
Thanks Bill and I allow me to apologize for my earlier rant, but finding information on that particular product obviously isn't very easy. Heck when you get onto their website it still isn't that easy!

If I am not mistaken, there are ICF manufactures that provide nice discounts to Habitat for Humanity and other type organizations, where the work is seen as more "charity".

I would suggest starting with some of the larger more well known block manufactures (Amvic, Reward, Nudura, Quadlock, Logix, Fox, Eco-block, TF, Polysteel, Hobbs, etc) and see if they would be willing to help. Yes I realize I may have left some ICF manufactures out, but I can't name them all.

Also, if you are successful in going down this path, you may want to get in touch with Energywise Structures (http://www.energywisestructures.com/). They are located in McKinny, TX and could be very helpful, plus they somewhat close to you.

Again, sorry for my earlier post, your clarrification made things much easier for me and I hope a bit easier for you as well!

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10 Dec 2009 08:04 PM
Bill,
I agree with renangle, you should definitely look at the major manufacturers he mentioned. For the most part I would assume that they have done all of the product testing and have all of the code approvals that you will need. You may find that many low budget manufacturers shipping products in from other countries, excluding Canada of course, have none of these approvals required by your local building codes. If you are interested in building low cost/affordable housing in Texas, I would recommend you look at the Community Resource Group website. They are a non-profit located in Fayetteville, AR operating in several Southeastern states, and they have a great program in the Rio Grande Valley area of Texas building just such housing.
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10 Dec 2009 10:10 PM

Gentlemen, I appreciate your comments.  I will look at EnergyWise, and Cummunity Resource Group.

Best regards,

Bill

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10 Dec 2009 10:45 PM
Looks to me this product is Buildblock, marketed by Quantum.
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12 Dec 2009 08:17 AM

irnivek, thank you.

Best regards,

Bill

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