adi43d
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| 01 Nov 2010 11:12 AM |
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has anyone tried the new monopour system from fabform and their new bracing (horizontal) system? I'm really curious what people think about it. is it as easy as they make it look or is just good marketing for this product ?
here is a link to the product:
http://www.fab-form.com/fastfootMp/...erview.php
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smartwall
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slenzen
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| 03 Nov 2010 10:28 PM |
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That looks pretty slick.
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Farmboy
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| 04 Nov 2010 11:27 PM |
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Early this summer, I helped out on a 2700sf single level home with multiple corners that used the MP brackets, and 6.25" Logix forms in a two phase pour. The first pour was 12" x 24" footing and 3 courses of ICF. The MP brackets were sturdy and carried the forms well. It was the first exposure to these brackets by all involved, so I think more experience with them would be most valuable in speeding up the process.
Some lessons learned:
- Make sure your trench is at least at least a foot wider on each side of the footing, especially when working with the Fastfoot fabric and accessing the MP adjusting screws.
- Keep your corners in-place and stay square and level. The walls can be bumped out of alignment.
- Follow the installation guidance for bracing.
- Pay attention when attaching the Fastfoot fabric to the ICF. Use the correct length and placement of the screws to avoid separation and resulting waste of concrete.
- Don't forget to stage footing rebar before stacking gets to far along.
If you're a contractor, a few projects should get to the point of efficiency you need to be profitable.
If you're a competent DIY'er, time, patience and following directions should help you succeed.
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astro
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| 05 Nov 2010 06:07 AM |
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has anyone ever tried this product over piles with voidform underneath? |
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adi43d
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| 05 Nov 2010 10:17 AM |
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thank you everyone for your replies. my project is as simple as it can get - a simple rectangle 42ft by 20 ft.
I plan to use this system but in a bit of a different manner. I'll probably use tradeready joist with their ICF ledge. I want to install the ledge, joists (at least some of them) and perimeter subfloor before the pour. my thinking is that the floor system should make the entire structure much more rigid. I know it has beed done before and it worked very well.
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/SolarHomes/SIPandICF/SIP3.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eRfXblujnmM/S4QhEW28hUI/AAAAAAAAAKE/90rj7N6khZU/s1600-h/_MG_8650.JPG
by doing this I hope to get a perfectly square and level foundation and a very strong monopoured wall. on top of this it looks really good from the cost point of view.
do you guys see any major flaw in this plan?
thank you,
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insul8
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| 05 Nov 2010 07:54 PM |
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They just used this with Quad-Lock super-insulated ICF on the Harmony House Nett Zero energy project in Burnaby BC - worked great. See http://www.harmony-house.ca |
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smartwall
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| 06 Nov 2010 09:33 AM |
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Your adding weight to the system. The bar system that I use, each bar can carry 240lbs each and the system sits on lumber. I'm not sure of the capacity of the Fab-Form system, since the weight of the system in carried on blocks that are glued together and the supports are every 4 ft. The system that I use cost about $1.60 per lin ft for a 20" footing. The only problem with the Fab-Form system that I would have up here in upstate NY is the time needed to set the footing concrete. Right now it's in the 20's in the mornings which means the concrete sets slower. With footing concrete in the fabric the set will be delayed. In a couple of weeks we're going to do a mono pour for the footing, walls and floor in one shot. |
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leebilt
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| 06 Nov 2010 04:48 PM |
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Posted By Farmboy on 04 Nov 2010 11:27 PM
Early this summer, I helped out on a 2700sf single level home with multiple corners that used the MP brackets, and 6.25" Logix forms in a two phase pour. The first pour was 12" x 24" footing and 3 courses of ICF. The MP brackets were sturdy and carried the forms well. It was the first exposure to these brackets by all involved, so I think more experience with them would be most valuable in speeding up the process.
Some lessons learned:
- Make sure your trench is at least at least a foot wider on each side of the footing, especially when working with the Fastfoot fabric and accessing the MP adjusting screws.
- Keep your corners in-place and stay square and level. The walls can be bumped out of alignment.
- Follow the installation guidance for bracing.
- Pay attention when attaching the Fastfoot fabric to the ICF. Use the correct length and placement of the screws to avoid separation and resulting waste of concrete.
- Don't forget to stage footing rebar before stacking gets to far along.
If you're a contractor, a few projects should get to the point of efficiency you need to be profitable.
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