Steel SIPS In Mid-Atlantic Region
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06 Jan 2008 02:28 PM
I am starting to be more open to the idea of building with steel SIPS. However, I had a number of questions about corrosion in coastal areas and whether affixing exterior siding compromises the steel envelope. Can anyone refer a company (or companies) who both sells and installs steel SIPS. Any insights about the cost of steel versus OSB would be greatly appreciated as well. Thank you in advance.

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06 Jan 2008 03:17 PM
Scott,
I know of 2 steel sips manufacturers, One outside Atlanta called Preferred foam fabricators. The other in Tampa area called Structall building products. I have worked with the Structall But not PFF. I have been researching this subject a long time and both have pros and cons. Service would be my deciding factor in most cases. Both have projects built in coastal areas and both are Florida- Therefore- high wind approved products. Steel SIPS beat all other techniques. I built my own ICF 7 years ago but next hiuse will be steel SIPS.

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06 Jan 2008 03:25 PM

Scott,

Check out this web site:  LINK  for steel polyurethane sips.  For coastal areas, I believe you should use G90 galvanized coating.

 

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06 Jan 2008 06:36 PM
Posted By Scott Harbinson on 01/06/2008 2:28 PM
I am starting to be more open to the idea of building with steel SIPS. However, I had a number of questions about corrosion in coastal areas and whether affixing exterior siding compromises the steel envelope. Can anyone refer a company (or companies) who both sells and installs steel SIPS. Any insights about the cost of steel versus OSB would be greatly appreciated as well. Thank you in advance.

Scott
Scott;

we supply and install "galvalume" /EPS steel SIPs in the Southeast US

Chris Kavala<br>[email protected]<br>1-877-321-SIPS<br />
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06 Jan 2008 07:21 PM

I just finished building a SIP cottage in a coastal area out of  ACTech panels, in Florida ACTech has a Florida Building Code on both walls and roof applications. I used stainless steel head screws to.  ProSteel out of Georgia built mine. I wanted to avoid affixing a siding to the panels so I painted the roof and walls with Thermo-Shield.  Time and future weather will tell how well I've  built.  Hope I never have to find out, being left homeless once is enough.

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06 Jan 2008 08:14 PM
Thank you all. More interesting stuff to ponder. Seaglade: did you use the textured (stucco?) product on the walls? I'd guess you'd need to use that to hide the seams. How did the cost compare to siding? How about the roof? Aren't there seams to seal there too?

Mr Kavala and Keown is Thermo-Shield a recommended solution for siding and roofing? Also, in your experience how would you say the cost of steel SIPS compares with comparable PU or EPS OSB SIPS? I'd want to consider erection time (simple structure but 4 stories) time/difficulty running electric, etc. I'd consider the implications of using a cheaper (perhaps Thermo-Shield) coating alternative independently of the other variables I mentioned.

Just so I understand, don't conventional roofs and siding compromise the steel envelope? Isn't that problematic.

Sorry if my questions are uninformed (they are!) I'm just trying to find out what going to make sense for me and what the trade-offs are.

Again, thanks in advance for all of your insights, its appreciated.


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07 Jan 2008 07:41 AM
No I didn't use the stucco,  ACTech panels have the appearence of a batten board look which suited the cottage style I was looking for. I caulked all  seams, on the roof seams in addition to caulking I applied a product called Pol-E-Force (membrane), before I applied the paint.  The Thermo-Shield is not cheap at $54 a gallon, but in my case it was cheaper then applying additional siding and roofing over the SIP panels. 
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07 Jan 2008 09:26 AM
Posted By Scott Harbinson on 01/06/2008 8:14 PM
Thank you all. More interesting stuff to ponder. Seaglade: did you use the textured (stucco?) product on the walls? I'd guess you'd need to use that to hide the seams. How did the cost compare to siding? How about the roof? Aren't there seams to seal there too?

Mr Kavala and Keown is Thermo-Shield a recommended solution for siding and roofing? Also, in your experience how would you say the cost of steel SIPS compares with comparable PU or EPS OSB SIPS? I'd want to consider erection time (simple structure but 4 stories) time/difficulty running electric, etc. I'd consider the implications of using a cheaper (perhaps Thermo-Shield) coating alternative independently of the other variables I mentioned.

Just so I understand, don't conventional roofs and siding compromise the steel envelope? Isn't that problematic.

Sorry if my questions are uninformed (they are!) I'm just trying to find out what going to make sense for me and what the trade-offs are.

Again, thanks in advance for all of your insights, its appreciated.


Scott
Scott,

1. siding, stucco is attached directly to steel skins with screw attachment. It does not compromise the envelope. It is an approved method.
 Does a siding fastener compromise the vapor barrier and OSB skin? No it does not and the same logic applies to the steel skin

2. once you get above 3 stories you will need a red iron frame, no matter who's stytem you use.

3. My experience with "cheaper" is you get similar results. A coating will never give the depth , texture and hideability as the "real" thing. You get what you pay for!

4. Best way to find out what something will cost, is to get actual bids from a preliminary plan any other way is just guessing

my contact information and cell #  is on every post anyone is welcome to call me to discuss their own personal projects one on one
Chris Kavala<br>[email protected]<br>1-877-321-SIPS<br />
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