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steel sip called leepcore
Last Post 26 Feb 2008 07:19 PM by cmkavala. 32 Replies.
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David John
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| 21 Jan 2008 02:34 AM |
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Hi Charles, Ref. your 1/20/08 post: LeepCore Panels are manufactured 2’ wide and up to 12’ long. They can be quickly glued together to make LeepCore Construction Sections of any length. See under “”Panel Assembly Guide” at the LEEP,Inc, The LeepCore walls, partitions and roofs of five 88’X120’ classroom buildings built in Baker County FL in 2004 were assembled from sections 8’ wide (4 panels)X12’ high with galvanized steel end caps at the top and bottom. By the third building, the construction company, using a crane, had assembled the exterior walls, the interior support walls and partitions for the 8 classrooms plus ancillary rooms and the LeepCore gabled roof in 3 weeks so that the building was ready for the trades. Details of the method of constructing with Leepcore Construction Sections are given on the Company websaite under “Construction Manual”. David John
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cmkavala
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| 21 Jan 2008 12:18 PM |
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Posted By Lockard on 01/20/2008 8:46 PM
Posted By cmkavala on 01/20/2008 6:16 PM Lockard;
Steel doesn't require a warranty against structural decay, termites or rot so why use wood?
The posts are for the benefit of other areas besides Canada
You are off on you weight per sq. foot OSB is closer to 3.5" and steel is 2.5# and are light enough that no crane is required. The underside is pre-finished and serves as a finished soffit, panles are unaffected by water or other ellements, nothing to warp/swell or split.
Our panels come up to 53ft. long, OSB is limited in length
they do not require splines (OSB most common problem - can have leakage problems @ splines)[/quote]Chris,
In your areas, FL & LA, I can see where you are concerned with termites, rot and fungus. I've seen pics of some of the damage the termites are doing to New Orleans. Pretty sad. But here in the midwest I still think you can avoid all of those problems just using the method I mentioned earlier. The warrenty is just a bonus.
[i]I thought the original post was about ynottony in Toronto[/i]
Your're right. I should have said 2.2lb foam density. As far as a crane goes, a lot of the time it's not the weight, it's the size. It's hard to handle just about anything as large as 8'X24'. A crane/sign truck is a safe and fast way to do a panel install, especially on some of the sites we work on.
Wow! You can install 53' long SIPs without machinery? Impressive. How wide are they?
The splines in the panels we use are molded in during the process. They are basically part of the rest of the panel. The foam core in one panel touches the core in the next. Expanding foam gaskets applied within a 1/4" gap in the OSB seals out air and moisture. The gap also helps prevent ridging, especially in roof panels.
I visited your site, pretty nice. I couldn't seem to find much in the way of technical data. I'm kind of a newbie at this computer thing. Where can I find that info?
Thanks,
Lockard; We have not had the need yet fo 53ft. yet, I was merely pointing out the 24ft. limitation of OSB. Panels are 45" wide, longest to date we have handled without a crane is 36ft., we use scissorlifts off the slab to maneuver, panels into place. If job is over joists then they are lifted by hand off of scaffold. In over 70 buildings we have never yet required a crane |
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cmkavala
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| 21 Jan 2008 12:20 PM |
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Posted By Alton on 01/20/2008 8:51 PM I avoid using wire mesh in concrete slabs as much as I can. I much prefer to use fiber. At least fiber is throughout the slab. Wire mesh should be towards the top of the slab to control cracking. Over the years I have not seen anyone use wire mesh correctly. I have about come to the conclusion that it is impossible to keep the wire mesh towards the top of the slab when the concrete crew walks on it. With all of the concrete I caused to be removed, I do not ever remember seeing the wire mesh where it should be.
Does anyone else feel this same way about wire mesh? Yes EXACLTY! |
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David John
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| 21 Jan 2008 06:41 PM |
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Sorry for the multiple posts. I'm new to the site and didn't realize I had to clic on page 2 to see my first post, so I thought it didn't get on. I hope somebody else has made that mistake before :) David John |
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Lockard
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| 21 Jan 2008 11:17 PM |
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Lockard;
I was merely pointing out the 24ft. limitation of OSB.
Well Chris, I hate to pick nits, but aren't you limited by your 45" wide steel?
longest to date we have handled without a crane is 36ft.
If I your largest set was 36'X3'-9" that's 135 sq. ft. Our typical 8'X24' set is 192 sq. ft. We can cover more area with each set, and with fewer seams. That puts a big dent in the cost of the crane, and scissor lifts aren't cheap.
we use scissorlifts off the slab to maneuver, panels into place
As far as the scissors lift, that's great if you have a slab to work off of. Except for garage slabs, all our houses are on foundations and wood joists.
If job
is over joists then they are lifted by hand off of scaffold.
We also set some panels by hand.
Do you have data available for your SIPs? R-value, fire rating, how do you install wood or fiberboard siding, etc. I really am interested in your product.
Thanks,
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cmkavala
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| 22 Jan 2008 09:24 AM |
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Posted By Lockard on 01/21/2008 11:17 PM [i]Lockard;
[u]I was merely pointing out the 24ft. limitation of OSB.[/u] [/i] Well Chris, I hate to pick nits, but aren't you limited by your 45" wide steel?
[u][i]longest to date we have handled without a crane is 36ft.[/i][/u]
If I your largest set was 36'X3'-9" that's 135 sq. ft. Our typical 8'X24' set is 192 sq. ft. We can cover more area with each set, and with fewer seams. That puts a big dent in the cost of the crane, and scissor lifts aren't cheap.
[i][u]we use scissorlifts off the slab to maneuver, panels into place[/u]
[/i]As far as the scissors lift, that's great if you have a slab to work off of. Except for garage slabs, all our houses are on foundations and wood joists.
[u][i]If job is over joists then they are lifted by hand off of scaffold.[/i][/u]
We also set some panels by hand.
Do you have data available for your SIPs? R-value, fire rating, how do you install wood or fiberboard siding, etc. I really am interested in your product.
Thanks,
Lockard; Some people are just born to pick nits; By you own admission the 8ft. wide jombo panels are cumbersome, necesitating the need for a crane, so I view the 45" width as an advantage , enabeling handling by hand if neccessary. seams are not more expensive with our steel sips as they are t&g with no splines and no fastening at seams. we set about 400 sq. ft. an hour with a 4 man crew and no crane. Well, I agree it is great and most of our residential and commercial jobs are slabs , rolling scaffold works just as well, is cheaper and still no crane. If the house had a full basement with poured slab then we would build exterior walls first, roof second and floor system last. all off of the scissor lifts. We have built 3 story homes the same way linkWe do have data available for our SIPs, that I will e mail to any one who asks at: email files are way too large to post as the skins are steel all cladding attachments are with screws, fibercement, vinyl, & stucco lath all have approved attachments with screws |
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YNOTTONY
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| 22 Jan 2008 10:29 AM |
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thanks for all the info guys,So I think it all depends on how much it would cost me for the steel sips compared to osb, and leepcore has'nt been responding to my email so far.does that mean I will have a hard time with them to get any info if I decide to build with their panels?
One more thing, has anybody built or had experience in cantilevering the first floor living room in one corner of the house about 1 foot, and the bedroom right above it on the second floor cantilevered about 2 feet?
Can this be done easier with either steel sip or osb sip?
I am using durisol for the basement.
Is anybody aware of any steel sip product here in toronto or close by in order to reduce my shipping bill?
Thanx,
Tony
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Charles StrasburgerSSF
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| 22 Jan 2008 11:44 AM |
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Tony, I don't know how wide your cantilevers are, so it would be hard to answer that, however, the Steel SIPs are lighter, and easier to manage. I would not use OSB panels under any circumstances, however, they are easier to cut out window openings from the second-story with the OSB panels if you are not having your home "kitted". If I could help you by providing a Scope for each OSB, and/or Steel so you can make the best decision, I would be more than happy to do so. I do not know off the top of my head a Manufacturer around Toronto, although you could find one I am sure. Charles |
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cmkavala
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| 22 Jan 2008 12:17 PM |
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Posted By ynottony on 01/22/2008 10:29 AM
Is anybody aware of any steel sip product here in toronto or close by in order to reduce my shipping bill?
Thanx,
Tony
Tony; Try link located in Concord, Ontario |
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YNOTTONY
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| 22 Jan 2008 05:06 PM |
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Thanx chris, but I am not sure if cold matic are structural panels?
Thanx charles, the width is 16'long |
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David John
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| 22 Jan 2008 05:22 PM |
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Tony, I can't answer your question about LeepCore Panels being used to cantilever your first and second sections. If you would like Leep.Inc.'s Structural Engineer to draw up a detailed plan of how to construct your house using LeepCore in the sections you have in mind, please send me your plans, and I will forward them to Leep's Engineer. There will be a cost for this engineering work. David John |
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YNOTTONY
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| 26 Feb 2008 06:54 PM |
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SO, has anyone built with steel sip and have had any issues(major)like thermal bridging.
There are companies making steel sip with either eps or polyiso which one is better than the other both structually and in R value factor.
I don't seem to find many steel sip products here in toronto in fact none one company makes cladding and walk in cooler panels,is it because it's not a good idea to build with steel sips? i just wonder. |
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cmkavala
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| 26 Feb 2008 07:19 PM |
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ynottony; I think in the north there is more of a wood mentality in construction, certainly in Canada you need to make sure you use the correct thermally broken channels. It is no different in building a deep freeze warehouse in Miami, the temperature differences are just reversed to 95 deg outside and below zero inside. You still need to overcome the thermal bridging so that the exterior is not frosting up |
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