Looking for a PUR SIP manufacturer
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03 Nov 2008 12:25 PM
I live in Kentucky and I'm looking for a good SIP manufacturer that works with polyurethane.  Unfortunately a manufacturer just an hour away from me that I was going to be working with, just sold its business to an NGO in Nigeria.  I've also tried working with Pat Egan of Thermocore in Indiana, but he doesn't have time for me.  I'm also looking at ICS in GA.  I'd like to get at least three quotes before deciding.  I'm not interested in EPS.
The project involve about 50 4x8 panels, 4.5" thick.  I've attached a simplified drawing of the SIP portion of the house.  It is the second story of the house with rammed earth on the first floor and conventional construction with sprayed cellulose insulation for the roof.
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Thom


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03 Nov 2008 01:04 PM

I used ACTech SIP panels to build my cottage, they are made in Tenn, check out their web site. 
Click here: Alternative Construction Technologies - Build Green



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03 Nov 2008 01:11 PM
Posted By seaglade on 11/03/2008 1:04 PM

I used ACTech SIP panels to build my cottage, they are made in Tenn, check out their web site. 
Click here: Alternative Construction Technologies - Build Green

Sealade must be a stockholder too, he keeps pushing a company thats gasping for air
http://finance.aol.com/quotes/alternative-construction-technol/accy/nab

ACCY is no longer considered a viable company




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03 Nov 2008 01:59 PM

Gondolaguy,

 
Don't let cmkavala discourage you from checking this company out, cmkavala only sales metal SIP's with EPS so he ALWAYS takes swipes at any product other then his own, especially if it is a SIP panel that uses PU. 
 
Last I checked this company is still in business, and they have a great product.  Oh, by the way I don't work for this company or own stock, but they make one of the best Steel SIP's available.


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03 Nov 2008 02:19 PM
Seaglade,
Well, I was actually going to comment on his not very useful remarks, but I'm still so worked up about the guy at Thermocore in Indiana that I might have been more harsh than warranted - which isn't usually helpful in these forums.  Steel has a bit too much embedded energy for my conscious, plus I have to cover the outside with brick (neighborhood covenants), and inside with drywall, so I'm not sure it is the best product for me.
At any rate, thanks a lot for your suggestion!
Thom


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03 Nov 2008 02:39 PM
Posted By gondolaguy on 11/03/2008 2:19 PM
Seaglade,
Well, I was actually going to comment on his not very useful remarks, but I'm still so worked up about the guy at Thermocore in Indiana that I might have been more harsh than warranted - which isn't usually helpful in these forums.  Steel has a bit too much embedded energy for my conscious, plus I have to cover the outside with brick (neighborhood covenants), and inside with drywall, so I'm not sure it is the best product for me.
At any rate, thanks a lot for your suggestion!
Thom
SIPs whether they be steel, OSB or fibercement do not look any differently than conventional construction, they can be cladded with brick and are covered with dywall. SIP construction is accepted in the most stringent deed restricted communities.

As for ACtech, it is well documented that they have been unable to pay their suppliers and are trying to re-structure their financing. It is not a company most prudent people would want to lay down 50% down payment for panels


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03 Nov 2008 02:45 PM
What a shame to cover rammed earth up with brick!  It can be quite beautiful if some care is given to the soil mixture and technique.  On the other hand, you will not have erosion issues with the brick taking the brunt of the rain.  How are you insulating the rammed earth portion of the house?  What kind of forms are you using?

For PUR SIPs, you might try http://www.eco-panels.com/ in Western NC.  I am not recommending them -- never worked with them -- but I just know them as a PUR manufacturer not too far from you.  They can do various skin materials.



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03 Nov 2008 02:56 PM
Rnortman,
Yes, I agree that it is a shame to cover up the rammed earth with bricks.  Actually, I'll be using Thin Brick.  I just think that it is backwards to build a house with insulation on the inside and thermal mass on the outside, like most brick houses are, so that is why I decided to go with rammed earth which I'll keep as my inside surface and put an air space as a thermal brake between it and the brick facing.  I'm not so concerned about R-value down low but am very concerned about it in the upper portion.  I'll be using slip forms for the rammed earth.
Thanks so much for the suggestion about Eco-Panels.  I'll definitely contact them.
Best regards,
Thom


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10 Nov 2008 01:07 PM
Posted By seaglade on 11/03/2008 1:59 PM

Gondolaguy 

Last I checked this company is still in business, and they have a great product.  Oh, by the way I don't work for this company or own stock, but they make one of the best Steel SIP's available.
Seaglade;

better check again, AC Tech is in BIG trouble , their stock was down 60%, now at only .10 cents a share, and are headed for bankruptcy ...the following is from their latest SEC filing:

On November 3, 2008, the Company was notified by its registered agent that it was served with a verified complaint captioned Roswell Capital Partners, LLC, as Collateral Agent; Bridgepointe Master Fund Ltd.; CAMHZN Master LDC; and CAMOFI Master LDC vs. Alternative Construction Technologies, Inc. et al. (the “Complaint”).  The Complaint, which was filed in the Circuit Court Eighteenth Judicial Circuit, Brevard County, Florida relates to the investment made by the plaintiffs (the “Secured Lenders”) in 2007 in convertible debentures of the Company (the “Debentures”) and a Secured Line of Credit made to the Company in May of 2008 (the “LOC”) by these same parties.  The Debentures are secured by certain assets of the Company and its subsidiaries, including three patents of the company as well as real property of the company located in Bolivar, TN.  The LOC is secured by specific contracts and guarantees of certain of the Company’s subsidiaries.  The plaintiffs had previously notified the Company of defaults under the Debentures and the LOC and their intent to foreclose on the assets securing these instruments.  The lawsuit asserts breaches of the various documents executed by the Company and its subsidiaries in connection with the issuance of the Debentures and of the loan agreements signed by the Company in connection with the LOC.  In addition to monetary damages, the lawsuit seeks a determination that the Secured Lenders hold a valid lien in certain assets of the Company, seeks an order of foreclosure relating to assets subject to valid lien (except to real property located outside of Florida) and the appointment of a receiver.

The Company is assessing its options and will respond to the lawsuit shortly.  Among the options being considered are counterclaims against the Secured Lenders for violations of state and federal lending and securities laws, a buy-out of all or some of the obligations which are the subject of this lawsuit, commencing vigorous enforcement actions to collect the debts underlying the contracts securing the LOC, making third party claims related to the defaults, and a reorganization under the Federal Bankruptcy Act.  While the Company is hopeful that a satisfactory resolution of this matter will be achieved, no assurance can be given at this time that this will occur, in which case, if successful in this lawsuit, the Secured Lenders would materially adversely affect the Company’s business.



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10 Nov 2008 01:26 PM
Chris,
Thanks for your persistent and purely selfless interest in keeping me from being steered in the wrong direction.  Worry not - I'm almost certain that I won't be going with any steel sips for this project.
Thom


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10 Nov 2008 03:55 PM
As "W" once said ------------ "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!"


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10 Nov 2008 04:33 PM
Oh, my! Does that mean that we are in for 5 more years of discussing the financial troubles of that poor company? :-o


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21 Nov 2008 05:35 AM
What about Murus? That's where I got my PUR SIPs.


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