Has anybody ever used SIPS panels from the "REDNECK PANEL CO."? They are located in Manatee county Florida and are made with FIBERGLASS, not metal. Any inf would be greatly appreciated.

I have not seen this company at trade shows in Florida or anywhere else.  This the first time that I have heard of this company.

 Have you seen test results for their fiberglass panel?  So far, I have not found testing data on their web site.  But they must have it since they said engineers will sign off on their plans.

Do you have prices yet?

Please share what you can.  I never know where I will have a project so it is important to me to be aware of various building components throughout the southeast. 

According to the web, Redneck Panel Co. is located in Palmetto, FL.  Trucking from there to the southeast states could be expensive.  I wonder what the charge per mile is now for trucking.

I am interested in their product too, but they do not have a Florida Product Approval Report listed with the state or their product is listed under a different manufacturer name. If they do not have product engineering or a third party quality control system in place, they are going to have a hard time doing business.

anyone ever seen updates from durasip in MS?

I sent DuraSip an e-mail this morning asking about progress on their fiberglass SIP.  This is one SIP that met a lot of requirements but when I talked to them several months ago, they did not seem optimistic about opening the plant.  If I hear from them, then I will try to post the news on GBT.

Posted By Tomdl on 27 Feb 2013 08:22 PM
Has anybody ever used SIPS panels from the "REDNECK PANEL CO."? They are located in Manatee county Florida and are made with FIBERGLASS, not metal. Any inf would be greatly appreciated.

The photos on their web site are labeled Platinum and appear to be the same as mfg, by Platinum Advance Technology not a tru SIP,but a steel studed wall panel withs a fiberglass mat each side and injected with polyurethane.
the fiberglass has no resin, but seems to only be preventing the injected PU from sticking to the forms

Posted By Alton on 28 Feb 2013 07:31 PM
I sent DuraSip an e-mail this morning asking about progress on their fiberglass SIP.  This is one SIP that met a lot of requirements but when I talked to them several months ago, they did not seem optimistic about opening the plant.  If I hear from them, then I will try to post the news on GBT.

Alton,

From what I discovered is that any "new" SIP structure, whether MgO or Fiberglass, the biggest hurdle is having the product tested by a 3rd party to check on shear loads, fire resistance, age performance, etc., there are at least a dozen or more tests that need to be done.

These tests are not cheap but they will determine if the product can be safely utilized in residential & commercial construction. Without these tests, it's a shot in the dark whether or not the product can actually be used and if it will actually still be standing 5 years from now. If the panels fail, the homeowner could face a collapsing home or serious injury or death. I'm sure the SIP company will have a "buyer beware" in their fine print, especially if the product hasn't been put to the test.

Third world countries, as you know, basically have no building codes and what I've seen is that some of these companies go there and use their products as a "proving ground". If they fail or collapse, they really don't face any repercussions.

On a similar note, I've seen Chinese imported rebar literally break in half after being dropped from 5 feet in height. Scary to think that this rebar was used in residential structures and when put in tension loads, it will fail. There was a multi-billion dollar lawsuit regarding Chinese drywall that caused people to get sick.

Lbear,

You make a lot of good points.  Not only should the product be tested by a third party but the third party should be an accredited lab that will have its results accepted by structural engineers and code agencies. Otherwise, the product will see very limited use in the USA. 

Believe it or not, there are still a lot of places in America that do not have effective enforcement of building codes.  One of my projects is in an area subject to the code but my understanding is that the code is not enforced.  This means that any tested or untested building technology can be used without worrying about signed and sealed plans.

In areas that enforce the code, I would prefer my homes to have better quality than that.  Remember, the code is the minimum that everyone involved with could agree upon.  A builder boasting that he builds to meet the code is not really bragging about the quality aspect that much, although it may seem so.

SIP panels require the sheathings have a high bracing power.
MgO is a superb green material with a viscosity about 5-8 times more than that in cement.
Two MgO boards manufacturers in China we represent make such robust MgO boards, which serve this purpose well.
They are free from leaching or corrosion problems
They are fire proof.
The edges are not fragile or brittle.
They have a good nail holding power.
They perform well in damp places and even under water.
The manufacturers gurantee to replace any defective boards.

Samfove,
Are you a rep and distributor?  Do you stock Mgo Material or does the end user have to wait for the next boat from China for shortages or bad material to be replaced?

Hi Alton,
Thank you very much for your questions. I am not a rep nor a distributor. I am a partner. We are planning to find a rep or distributor in the US.
I give you my word that shortages and bad materials will never happen. Our MgO boards go thr more than 30 days of preservation and we don't let go any defective boards.
We can make the surface as tough and gloss as marble, and we can even have it with facing brick designs, meaning they can act as exterior wall directly without any paints.
Presently the customers have to order from us. They have to wait for another 30 days to get the goods.
Sam

Samfove,
Our experience of Mgo boards are:
They leach
they are fireproof
they are very brittle with little flex
they have poor nail and screw holding power
they do perform well in damp places and under water, BUT - they also hold water for long periods of time before draining out and drying

Hi Chris,

It is nice to hear from you.
In your case, you have used the wrong type of MgO boards.
There are many cheap MgO boards in the market. They all have the problems you mentioned.
The manufacturers use cheap magnesium oxide, or stock one, which don't have the necessary active components required.
They use high alkaline fiberglass mesh.
They use too much wood dust which hold water and brine.
They preserve the MgO boards for too short a period of time in the factory before shipping them to the customers. Usually, the boards experience second heat wave on voyage, causing damage to the boards.
Some factories use outdated technology to reduce brine by dipping the boards into water after they take shape. This method weakens the strength and causes brittleness.
These boards are dangerous for use in SIP panel fabrication. They don't stand the test of time.
Good MgO boards don't have such problems.

Sam

Samfove,

Thank you for promoting the properties of the MGo boards that you sell.  Since MgO boards have had some bad publicity, do you have any test results from an accredited lab in the USA to reassure us that your boards have the good properties that you mention?

Posted By Alton on 10 Mar 2013 11:51 AM
Samfove,

Thank you for promoting the properties of the MGo boards that you sell.  Since MgO boards have had some bad publicity, do you have any test results from an accredited lab in the USA to reassure us that your boards have the good properties that you mention?

I'm afraid he will not be able to produce such test results because they do not exist. From what I have read, there are ZERO MgO panels that have been submitted for testing and code approval here in the USA.

In the end it will be buyer beware.

Samfove, Please post your website and email address

Last year while i was in the USA, I contacted NTA. We are in the process of getting our products certified in the US.
If you have any questions, please contact me at samshancn (at) hotmail dot com
Thank you for your interest.

Sam

Posted By Samfove on 11 Mar 2013 07:36 AM
Last year while i was in the USA, I contacted NTA. We are in the process of getting our products certified in the US.
If you have any questions, please contact me at samshancn (at) hotmail dot com
Thank you for your interest.

Sam

Sam,
you would have a little more credibility if you actually had the testing, rather than merely contacting the test lab.
Testing could easily exceed $100,000.
If you are for real, we would expect a web site and more than a hotmail email address

Hi Chris,

Thank you very much for your reply.
Dragon board and Magnum have passed the tests.
I am 100 percent positive that ours are superior.
If you are interested, please come to China to have a field check yourself.
It is my pleasure to show you to the factories.

Sam

Posted By Samfove on 11 Mar 2013 08:03 AM
Hi Chris,

Thank you very much for your reply.
Dragon board and Magnum have passed the tests.
I am 100 percent positive that ours are superior.
If you are interested, please come to China to have a field check yourself.
It is my pleasure to show you to the factories.

Sam

Sam,
those are not your products
actions spaek louder than words