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cmkavala
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Posted By PARAHOMES on 25 Nov 2016 06:42 PM
Posted By cmkavala on 25 Nov 2016 06:15 PM
Hygroscopic mass is one of MGO's worst attributes in humid climates Most often the boards are produced by using Sorel cement (Magensiumoxychloride). Resulting in a very hygroscopic product that can produce a problem named "crying boards" when applied in too humid climate.
The chloride also produce a highly corrosive environment for fasteners and steel studs.
Don't be shy write more if you know what you are talking about ;) I can get at least that much from a short goggle search. hahahha!
Proving my point that the truth is close at hand, but I also speak from first hand experience where the MGO board used in a high end residence in Haiti ( a humid climate) where the owners continuously experience a acidic-oily residue that leaches from the bottom edge of the MgO board. |
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cmkavala
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25 Nov 2016 07:49 PM |
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and this from a consulting engineers report........."MgO Board’s chloride salts have been blamed for causing some serious corrosion problems in buildings when used as permanent formwork for concrete walls. The chloride salts of MgO Boards only exacerbate the problem " |
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PARAHOMES
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25 Nov 2016 07:55 PM |
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Chris, you are correct you are not producing ANYTHING on this thread I have not, and resolved by Premier. You state issues no solutions not hard to throw darts I am sure I can find to throw at your designs there are issues with steel don't get me started been at metal design major structural engineering for over 30 yrs. Innova, I forgot to mention ROMA has a biogrip if Ron has structural rate use it as a brown coat for breathable stucco. It has a very low to no M(microbial)VOC most matls would fail at or are not tested for. Here is my last contact,
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cmkavala
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25 Nov 2016 08:08 PM |
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Posted By PARAHOMES on 25 Nov 2016 07:55 PM
Chris, you are correct you are not producing ANYTHING on this thread I have not. You state issues no solutions not hard to throw darts I am sure I can find to throw at your designs there are issues with steel don't get me started been at metal design in major structure engineering for over 30 yrs. I forgot to mention ROMA has a biogrip if Ron has structural rate use it as a brown coat for breathable stucco. It has a very low to no M(microbial)VOC most matls would fail at or are not tested for.
Parahomes, as you say , I am not stating anything that is not available with just a simple google search, it is an open forum, I get darts thrown at me all the time,you need thick skin the consumer needs to have all the information they can glean from the forum in order to make an informed decision. That includes the pros and cons of metal, OSB, MgO and fibercement as a contractor that has used all of those products I speak with first hand knowledge that will hopefully spare someone from repeating the same mistakes I have endured |
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PARAHOMES
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25 Nov 2016 08:21 PM |
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Chirs, as I stated you don't want me looking at your design if you are a contractor that designed I will rip it apart. This thread is not about steel its about making MAG work so back off! |
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cmkavala
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25 Nov 2016 08:34 PM |
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Parahomes, I am contributing to the MGO discussion and will share information when I can |
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PARAHOMES
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25 Nov 2016 08:47 PM |
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Chris, if you are a "contributor" as you claim what is your MAG chemical solution? |
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cmkavala
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25 Nov 2016 08:49 PM |
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Posted By PARAHOMES on 25 Nov 2016 08:47 PM
Chris, if you are a "contributor" as you claim what is you chemical solution?
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PARAHOMES
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25 Nov 2016 08:53 PM |
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Chris, common your out to point sales to you having nothing to offer here. Get real! You have sales hyped this thread hoping to get more sales...You think we are all dumb? A steel solution is laughable! I am sure I know more about its properties than u. |
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PARAHOMES
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25 Nov 2016 09:18 PM |
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Anyway, Chris start your own thread I'll look fwd to it you are going to need a whole lot more than "thick skin" to deal with me. |
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PARAHOMES
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26 Nov 2016 10:00 AM |
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Here is Jerry's patent you can read solves the leaching and fastener corrosion issues to acceptable levels, and know the paint capabilities of their products. You rarely want to take a contractors word of failure or success over a pros in this case chemist. This info is made public, he has a better solution that is not.
https://www.google.com/patents/US8603237
Last we talked he said there are some big players getting behind this. This is the place to be. |
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metal sip homeowner
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26 Nov 2016 10:31 PM |
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Parahomes, please read IM |
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metal sip homeowner
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26 Nov 2016 10:31 PM |
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Parahomes, please read IM |
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PARAHOMES
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27 Nov 2016 07:24 AM |
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I don't have any PMs try again. |
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Innova
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29 Nov 2016 05:43 PM |
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I talked to Ron at Foreverboard yesterday and right now they are only manufacturing interior MGO for drywall replacement. The board they are manufacturing is tapered for typical drywall joints. It is exciting that a company is actually manufacturing an MGO board here in the USA. However, this board right now will not work for our SIP panels as we are using the board as exterior structural sheathing and are already using a board that is approved per USA standards and is fully insured against any kind of manufacturing defects. Foreverboard advised that they are working on a external sheathing board and hope to move forward with testing soon. It took Innova 2 years to get the board we are using approved for use here in Florida. We wish Foreverboard the best of luck as It will be a benefit to everyone when more fully approved boards enter the market and are readily available to all building contractors without the stigma caused by the many Alibaba vendors pushing sub-standard boards into the USA market. Most all of the rumors and reported issues are with these boards. |
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doctorman
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Posted By PARAHOMES on 25 Nov 2016 08:53 PM
Chris, common your out to point sales to you having nothing to offer here. Get real! You have sales hyped this thread hoping to get more sales...You think we are all dumb? A steel solution is laughable! I am sure I know more about its properties than u.
Is there a thread discussing the Steel SIPs? what is laughable about them? It is so confusing for a consumer to decide between OSB MgO Steel SIPS. Most engineers and architects and builder wont even touch or know about these stuff. |
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Jelly
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03 Aug 2017 08:25 PM |
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Hi doctorman, I'm an owner/builder SIP homeowner. I really feel for you as you try to make sense out of some of this information! I might suggest starting a new thread, describe some of the details of your project needs, your climate, things like that. Send me a PM if you have any questions. |
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cmkavala
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04 Aug 2017 02:28 AM |
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There have 100's of threads over the past 15 years about steelSIPs , and much spirited debate, you can start a new one |
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kach22i
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20 Nov 2017 07:21 PM |
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I found this thread to be informative, all of page one and the top of page two especially. At the 2:40 mark in the video below when the two women pick up the board you can see how much it flexes. I know it's not the exterior grade stuff used on SIP's, and this version is lighter than the stuff out of China, but I found it interesting. The top video, at the 2:40 mark http://www.foreverboard.net/ |
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