My MGO SIP House in PA
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23 Aug 2018 12:18 PM
Julio keep us updated, looks like Brad is not active. I live in Mia and am looking at going by Innova and checking them out because they are local. Im sure they are magnitudes more expensive, but being local is an advantage.
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25 Sep 2018 10:41 AM
on the subject of poor nailing +crew holding capacity of MGO board --in uk you can get hybrid sips with MGO outside and osb inside --that lets you use stucco or slip bricks etc on outside and normal fixing on inside. you can also get them from china.ok you could just use the more expensive ring nails which don,t pull out
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13 Dec 2018 04:24 PM
I certainly don't want this to look like an advertisement but rather some statements based on my experience which I am always happy to share. Over the past 20 years I have visited about 25 MgO board manufacturing factories in China several that also produced SIP panels. I have seen good, bad and terrible factories. We analyzed having SIP panels produced in China but because EPS foam is so cheap and shipping cost is high we concluded it would be lower cost to import the MgO boards and produce the SIP's here. Final quality is also an issue when dealing with China. Early on in 2004 we partnered with what we considered the best manufacturer in China that manufactured MgO boards. Over the next 2 years we modified formulations and fiber combinations consistently testing to ASTM criteria until we locked in on our final product now called Magnum Board. It is the only MgO board in the world to have an ICC-ESR, CCMC approval in Canada, UL listed in USA & Canada, Class A1 fire rating in Europe and code approved in New Zealand/Australia. Having said all that there are a couple of other manufacturers that have pretty good boards but many others are garbage. Regarding SIP's one of our biggest customers is in Canada and has CCMC approval for their SIP panels. The cost to achieve code approval is significant which has prevented many SIP manufacturers from switching from OSB to MgO boards which many acknowledge may cost a bit more but is superior in many regards. If anyone wants to pick my brain just email me at egilbert at magnumbp dot com.
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04 Jan 2019 12:10 AM
I have been very interested in the MgO SIPs and seeing any feed back from end users for awhile. I have been involved with testing of USA manufactered Mgo and find it to be extremly strong and the producct that we tested was pretty light weight in coparison to the China made MgO.
I have a question for you, how did you get around the PA Industrial Housing Certificate Requirement for SIPs? It has been my understanding that unless you have the sticker and a letter from the mannnfacturer that they are registered with the PA housing authority you can not get a building permit. How did you get around that?
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04 Jan 2019 01:34 AM
PA Industrial does not apply to most SIPS. That applies to housing that is mostly manufactured in a shop.... Ie walls with electrical and plumbing pre-wired etc. A blank sip panel is just the rough framing portion of a house build and does not fall under that.
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04 Jan 2019 04:36 PM
Please find below a link to the web site address that states that SIPs are required to have a State Of Pennsylvania Component Sticker for all residential applications. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SooaE6MmmY9EVZqniXUbsrIFtnX9kgJQ/view?usp=drivesdk I got caught not being aware of this several years ago. This is the only way I found out about the reuirement. My first thought was exactly the same as yours, it is not a complete modular home so why would they require the sticker. I am having trouble copy and pasting the link so if you need more information you can send me an email. Kevin Casey
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10 Jan 2019 04:10 AM
Hi Are the extra panels for sale? Thank you
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18 Feb 2019 01:53 AM
The link you posted is to a private Google drive. Not a public website so I can't comment on what your found.

What I can say is a PA component sticker has never been discussed in all the SIP vendors I spoke with. I visited several plants and all of them are shipping from outside of PA into PA. And visiting job site of these OSB sips had no stickers on them either. So hard to say.

As for ther person that wondered if the extra panels are for sale, there are only about 6 full panels left now and they have been left outside under a tarp. I'd assume a mouse has made a nice home in the foam by now.
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18 Feb 2019 05:08 PM
Below is the actual verbage from the document. § 145.34. Housing components. Housing components which are subject to this chapter are utility core units, closed panels, sandwich panels and structrual insulated panels. Authority The provisions of this § 145.34 amended under section 5 of the Industrialized Housing Act (35 P. S. § 1651.5). Source The provisions of this § 145.34 adopted July 12, 1974, effective July 13, 1974, 4 Pa.B. 1403; amended July 8, 1988, effective July 9, 1988, 18 Pa.B. 3040; amended May 7, 2010, effective July 7, 2010, 40 Pa.B. 2421. Immediately preceding text appears at serial page (231123). No part of the information on this site may be reproduced for profit or sold for profit. This material has been drawn directly from the official Pennsylvania Code full text database. Due to the limitations of HTML or differences in display capabilities of different browsers, this version may differ slightly from the official printed version. Web site address. https://www.pacode.com/secure/data/012/chapter145/s145.34.html
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18 Feb 2019 05:15 PM
Sorry for my previous post I was using a new tablet I just got and was not sure how the copy and print. I just want to make sure that no one has to go through what I went through. It was a long three month project to get things straightened out when I got caught. I have informed several other manufacturers of this and it is saved them from having the problems and the process that I had to go through. Let me know if you need anything else. Kevin
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18 Feb 2019 09:03 PM
Thanks for the copy/paste.

I still believe you are incorrect in apply PA Act 1651.5 and the provisions of 145.34 to residential SIP Panels.

PA Act 1651.5 is the Industrial housing act. The scope of PA Act 1651.5 is limited to industrial housing and the components used in them. The definitions of the terms used in the scope limit the applicable to things that fall outside of the IRC. So while SIP's can be included under this act if they are used as part of an industrial housing project or included embedded electrical/plumbing, that is not what most residential SIP panels use.

I did not have to worry about and I suspect it won't be an issue for 95% of residential SIP builders in PA. Just my .2

Though, I'd guess that with all things involving a code inspected your YMMV
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19 Jul 2019 02:27 PM
Innova Eco Building System in Miami Florida has a fully product approved MGO SIP System including the coastal impact zone with wind loads + 180 mph.
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30 Jul 2019 05:05 AM
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16 Mar 2020 01:28 PM
I would be interested to know how the Chinese MGO SIP are doing after almost two years. We generally install the SIP tape on the outside when the interior SIP is to be tapped and finished. Have you have any problems with the interior joints? Are you satisfied with the 6" roof panel in cold weather? We generally recommend an 8" or thicker panel in cold weather, just curious if the 6" panel is giving you the thermal protection required in cold weather? I noticed from the thermal images you posted that the roof was showing heat loss like the windows and doors?
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11 Dec 2020 04:23 AM
Hi Brad...it would be great if you could let us know what MgO SIP supplier you decided upon after all of the testing..I'm sure that would be greatly appreciated by many people here :) Thanks...Aj
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09 May 2021 08:00 PM
Hi, thanks for all valuable informations. We are building cottages in canada and the price of wood is shooting to the moon. We are investigating SIP walls and being able to order from china would probably be an option at this point. We have identified potential suppliers but any additional infos or which supplier would be much appreciated. We have canadian winters and rainy periods. Any on interested in exchanging details here or in private csamson777 at yahoo dot com
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09 May 2021 08:00 PM
Hi, thanks for all valuable informations. We are building cottages in canada and the price of wood is shooting to the moon. We are investigating SIP walls and being able to order from china would probably be an option at this point. We have identified potential suppliers but any additional infos or which supplier would be much appreciated. We have canadian winters and rainy periods. Any on interested in exchanging details here or in private csamson777 at yahoo dot com
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21 Nov 2021 05:14 PM
Brad
would love to pick your brain if you have a minute to talk
Also building in Pa. Did one Passiveish house in 2019.
Looking into SIPs for this one
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30 Jun 2023 01:16 PM
Can the contact information for the SIP supplier?
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