Vertical Loop system with EWT=25F
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23 Feb 2011 03:58 AM
Posted By Looby on 22 Feb 2011 02:09 AM
Posted By docjenser on 22 Feb 2011 01:25 AM
BTW, still watin' for an explanation of why every geo manufacturer
and every geo-design manual/program wastes so much time, ink,
and effort worrying about Reynolds numbers & turbulence?

...guess they just didn't "get the word" yet, huh?

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I don't know, I looked, but I could not find the answer yet. As we know well from open systems, heatpumps work well with half or 2/3 the flow, as long as you feed them with water at a temperature within their operating range. May be the data does not exist. Or there is another reason why manufactures recommend this. May be they do not know better. Since you know so much, and you find so much on the web, why don't you help us here to better understand and post some of the data you claim the manufacturers have. May be Waterfurnace can help here, and post some data on loop heat extraction at certain reynolds numbers? To use the "why do you think they recommend 3 gpm/ton" argument is a weird approach to science without offering any data.
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23 Feb 2011 11:48 AM
Posted By docjenser on 23 Feb 2011 03:58 AM

As we know well from open systems, heatpumps work well with
half or 2/3 the flow ....

...To use the "why do you think they recommend 3 gpm/ton" ...
Neither of those rules-of-thumb have anything at all to do
with Reynolds numbers in the loop piping:

- open loop systems have no in-ground heat exchanger

- the heat pump coax has HUGE Reynolds numbers (tens of
of thousands) at any sane flow rate. ...hmm, I wonder why.

- ISO/AHRI rules permit manufacturers to use whatever flow
rates they choose when rating heat pump COP. 3 gpm/ton,
(closed loop) is common, but by no means "standard."

WRT me justifying standard geo design practice: Sorry, but
I'm rapidly losing interest in the subject. My single-pump,
single-circuit system is doin' just fine (at Reynolds# 5890).

As a techno-geek homeowner, it's just idle curiosity. OTOH,
if I was designing and selling geo to paying customers, I can
assure you that I'd spend whatever effort was necessary to
find the answers.

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24 Feb 2011 12:27 AM
Posted By Looby on 23 Feb 2011 11:48 AM
My single-pump,
single-circuit system is doin' just fine (at Reynolds# 5890).

As a techno-geek homeowner, it's just idle curiosity. OTOH,
if I was designing and selling geo to paying customers, I can
assure you that I'd spend whatever effort was necessary to
find the answers.



Well, keep pumping and paying for reynolds # 5890. And if you find the answer, rest assured, I will be the first one who will listen. My be in the meantime, maybe the techno-geek homeowner could treat the professional installers here with a little bit less arrogance and ignorance, when all they are trying to do is improve system efficiencies for the benefit of their customers, and exchange that new gained knowledge for the benefit of everyone here.
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24 Feb 2011 12:39 AM
Posted By docjenser on 24 Feb 2011 12:27 AM

Well, keep pumping and paying for reynolds # 5890.
One UP26-99 ain't about to break the bank.

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24 Feb 2011 12:41 AM
Posted By Looby on 24 Feb 2011 12:39 AM
Posted By docjenser on 24 Feb 2011 12:27 AM

Well, keep pumping and paying for reynolds # 5890.
One UP26-99 ain't about to break the bank.



Now we finally seem to have found common ground....
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