A/C Necessary in ICF/SIP Home in MN?
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06 Jan 2010 11:48 AM
The question is also then, if option #1 is cheaper, is the cost difference large enough to cover the more efficient option #2 when ammortized out over the life of the system? Very curious to hear your builder's response Guy.
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26 Jan 2010 11:33 AM
I'm in the exact situation but in a planning / design phase. Please let us know what you hear from your builder.
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26 Jan 2010 12:19 PM
Posted By Bruce Frey on 01/06/2010 2:30 AM
For a hypothetical 4000sf house, you want somewhere between 0.5 and 1.0 air changes per hour for ventilation from an ERV or HRV, which is 300 to 600 cfm. 
The Passivhaus people design for .3 to.4 air changes per hour in a shell probably tighter than we're talking about here. That 's a big difference. Where does your number come from?
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27 Jan 2010 09:02 AM
Have you looked into Nilan HRV's? They use a combo HRV-Heat pump to deliver both hot and cold air and take care of the ventilation at the same time. That's what I plan to use on my project.

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27 Jan 2010 09:51 AM
Posted By poor richard on 01/26/2010 12:19 PM
Posted By Bruce Frey on 01/06/2010 2:30 AM
For a hypothetical 4000sf house, you want somewhere between 0.5 and 1.0 air changes per hour for ventilation from an ERV or HRV, which is 300 to 600 cfm. 
The Passivhaus people design for .3 to.4 air changes per hour in a shell probably tighter than we're talking about here. That 's a big difference. Where does your number come from?

IIRC, the 0.5 is from ASHRAE and the 1.0 is something I read but do not recall the source.  These are numbers that would apply to a tight building. 


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28 Jan 2010 03:09 PM
Posted By guy_davis on 01/06/2010 11:38 AM
Very good question, jboysen.  I'm currently pushing my builder to provide estimates on that exact scenario for my home with radiant in-floor heat; either:
  1. Central A/C with full HVAC ducting also used by the HRV.
  2. "Fully ducted" HRV (own separate ducting) and a set of mini-split ductless A/C units in rooms needing cooling.
As for price difference, I'm still waiting to hear back from my builder.  I'll post once I hear in the next week or two.  If others have comments on pricing, I'd love to hear them.

Option #1 came out around $10K total with $6400 for full HVAC ducting and $4300 for Lifebreath HRV/furnace plus enhancements to the Nordic GSHP.   Option #2 came in higher due to the cost of the Multi-Aqua units plus insulated PEX and plumber's installation time.  (All prices are CAN$)

So, I've decided to forgo A/C all-together.  Had A/C been really important, I would have been better to stick with a forced air heating system rather than radiant.  Adding an A/C unit to existing forced-air system is much cheaper than having both radiant and forced-air. 

However, given Calgary's climate, I feel I've made the right choice of prioritizing heating (with a comfortable radiant in-floor system) rather than worrying about a small amount of cooling.  We have a very tight envelope, good roof overhangs, and good windows allowing natural breeze at nights which means A/C just isn't needed.


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