Build An ICF below $380,000
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14 Dec 2007 01:39 PM

Hello Dave,

Perhaps you may be right in that respect but that dose not mean that it is as good as or is better than any other system.

The fact is that I can manufacture as many square footage as I want and ay them as I go along.

Your  inquisitiveness and curiosity can be settled easily if you send me your e-mail address so I can the least send you the photos of our current operation.

It is so simple to operate as easy as 1, 2, 3 because all you need to know is one bucket of cement and two bucket of washed sand.

Regards,

Benjamn



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14 Dec 2007 01:48 PM

Dave,

It depends on how you look at it, if you consider yourself as a wholesaler. You will be actually benefiting if you use the system because in California the sate will pay you to place people to work, therefore your worker comp will be cheaper and also environmentally you reduce the pollution associated with running the injection molding machines and other issues.

 

I consider myself an environmentally conscious individual therefore we think this will be the right way to go.

I am sure all ICF systems are superior to conventional construction but in any industry there is always a place for doing things smarter and faster.

In my case I consider this being faster and also cheaper because I control the manufacturing paste and also doing well for our planet!  

Systerm will not let me place the photos in the forum because of the limitation to the file size.

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14 Dec 2007 03:15 PM
I have to agree with gregj, that it sounds like you are selling/renting this system, Benjamin.

Be advised that likely none of us is even in the same state as you, and so attempts at selling are only annoying.


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14 Dec 2007 05:39 PM
I received pictures. I am attacing them.
It looks like a cement spacer that you attach your from material to.( foam, plywood etc)
To me it looks like an unproven product that would require lots of bracing and special worry about attachment issues.
It can be seen in use on the advanced concepts page of this site.

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14 Dec 2007 08:51 PM
Thanks for the Photo jmagill,
This product in fact has been approved by the City Of Burbank California to use for the Department of Water and Power additional photos are available upon request.
for whatever it worths it works for the DWP it is good for me to use in Earthquate zone specifically if it has been proven to work.
Infact there are evidence that this system was exposed to 7.5 magnitue earthqwuate and passed its test with flying colors.
I suppose next I should be looking for help to have some one help me to install this system.
Any idea who may be able to help me install such system?


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22 Dec 2007 12:22 AM

Happy Holidays to Every One.

Hope to hear from you in 2008 with some more brigh ideas as how to proceed with this project.

regards,

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22 Dec 2007 12:53 AM
There is another photo incase of interest in this photo you can observe that there are no bracing required. I wonder why and how this could be done. Since in most ICF units the bracing part is some common concern with all installers.
In this case they did not use Styrophome and used plexiglass it seems.

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22 Dec 2007 03:46 PM
Can you say scam or pyramid scheme? 

I saw this thread originally a month or two ago.  Upon reading the first few posts at the time, I thought.... "ok...maybe this guy wants to build a house and is just clueless as to what's actually involved."

Now after reading pages 2 and 3 of the thread, I have to laugh. 

The thread went from... (and this is not verbatim, but you get the drift)...

-We have a loan for $380,000
-How much does it really cost to build an ICF home?
-We will buy a property (or fixer upper) for $150,000 and have $230,000 to build a 2,000+ sq foot home.
-EMAIL US YOUR INFO SO WE CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU
-We're ready to start ASAP (here in CA, you don't start as soon as you find your property....hello...approval and permit process).
-We don't have a property, don't even know what city actually (yet already have a loan)
-We don't have a floor plan.
-EMAIL US YOUR INFO SO WE CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU
-Anyone else interested in joining our "team"?
-We have our MMA delivered already and are ready to start producing blocks
-(These blocks are superior to what you'll get from a "well known, respected, professional" company by the way)
-We are looking for anyone who may want to get involved....(hmm....what happened to the "team")
-EMAIL US YOUR INFO SO WE CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU
-11/16/2007 MMA should have arrived to start building forms (which takes 6 weeks)..... six weeks is just about up...is there a floor plan yet?
-12/15/2007.....hmmm....bank wants us to have a REAL company provide blocks??  How dare they??
-Is anyone paying rent on that machine?  How much is the rent?  How many blocks (or molds, cylynders, etc) have been produced so far?
-Since these blocks are produced "on site"....where?  In the mud?  Did you build a large garage?  Slab? etc?
-EMAIL US YOUR INFO SO WE CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU
-Block is "fully and internationally patented".....does is fly with codes all over the US?
-Why if you're using your "own block" would you try to get financing from a preferred lender from Polysteel's website?
-Bank wants 10% down....I'm looking for another financial institution that knows how to do business!!
-12/13/2007 - I'm buying stocks in all companies involved in this production process....yet I can't put down 10% for the loan?
-12/14/2007 - Forum will not let me upload photos due to file size..... (ever hear of "resizing" or "converting to jpg"?)??
-12/14/2007 - System has been subjected to 7.5 magnitude earthquakes and passed with "flying colors"...wow
-EMAIL US YOUR INFO SO WE CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU


some quotes from his website
 - "Unique financial opportunity"
 - Minimum 10% ROI according to our contract
 - Primary business activity....."Income Tax Preparation"

Contact Info?
 - Email address....
 - PO Box.....
 - No phone.....
 - No fax....

By the way, since this is a patented system, where are the actual pictures of this block....before....during...and after?  Oh yeah.....email you and you will reply with that info?












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22 Dec 2007 05:14 PM

Dear JamesInCA,

Thank you.  I was actually feeling sorry for this guy.  I can't believe I bought into this.

His constant misspellings and odd phrasing bring to mind the commercials of the foregin dude dressed in rags riding on a bus attempting to tell a woman she has won millions in a lottery but she must first give him some money.  The point being these scams do not work well person to person.

What he will email you with is an email asking for more info...imagine that.

icfgal



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22 Dec 2007 05:29 PM
I posted those pictures because as they say " A picture is worth a thousand words"

One look at the pictures tells you that this is not an ICF and provides no way to attatch drywall or siding.
Not the way I want to build my house. Not to mention it would never pass with the building department.


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24 Dec 2007 12:41 AM
It is great to see we are making progress with such as enthusiastic participants in this ICF forum (Build An ICF below $380000.

As they say knowledge is key to sucess. In your case no confidentiality no information!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this system is not for everybody.  it is for individuals who think Green !!

I am amazed to see responses comming in from all walks of life, with one exception that everyone commenting on something that they have no clue about.

regardless of any ocmments in regards to my project, I am still convinced that this little spacer is much more cost effective than conventiona ICF not to say all ICF systems are great products, but still this one provides flexibility to adapt to any type of panel that can produce a form!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

take care.

P.S.


James in CA have received number of pictures including several large construction panels and their installation applications. Perhaps James in CA did not feel confident sharing the remaining photos incase some one would ask him questions that he did not have the right answer for!!!!!!!!!




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24 Dec 2007 01:30 AM

Dear James inCA,

This is no scam nor a pyramid scheme !!!!!

But if you would like to think so, then let anyone to stop you.

I am sorry that if you have come across many of responses and comments that seems way out of scope of my original intention to obtain support for my construction project.

 

I want to thank you having visited our site, and taking note that we do not post Phone Numbers nor Fax, Obviously if you are a US Citizen and are up-to-date would still know that it is a federal crime to open mail addressed to someone without prior authorization and consent/!!!!!!!!! We therefore prefer to still do business old fashion and communicate via Mail therefore things stay confidential as they suppose to be. As for the phone and Fax number our clients and registered affiliates have these numbers therefore eliminating the overhead cost of screening process of receiving and responding to unnecessary inquires.  You should also realize that being an authorized E-filer for the United States Department of Treasury we have to follow certain guidelines and ethics that will protect our clients and their objectives.


I am planning to build a house and have actually been pre approved by Mid Country Bank the financial institution supporting the Polysteel and reward block systems. I was told by the Bank personnel that this website would be a great place to start receiving information about building an ICF house, therefore I initiated this post. Since then I have received many supporting and discriminating comments about my idea of using this spacer as my dividing mechanism for my ICF form to eliminate having to select on particular block. At the time it seemed to be a great idea to use this system, therefore I started contacting professionals whom may help.

 

Thanks to may of you I have learned a lot about the ICF industry as a whole and how individuals and groups try to help each other to improve the knowledge and awareness of the ICF industry and improve the relationship of the Industry as whole.  It seems like there is many years that have passed by and this industry still is struggling to bring on professionals that would work as team rather than enemies trying to undercut each others products or projects. In my case I may not be a good speller of words I type fast perhaps it may not be my best of expertise, however I rather be careful with your money and how much you pay as tax rather than worry about how to spell polysteel or reward block or Hardyplank.

 

Make no mistake I will build the ICF house and I will build it with the spacer our friend has put on the site as picture indicates being produced in Arizona.

 

Take care

 

Benjamin

 



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24 Dec 2007 01:43 AM

Dear jmagill,

 

Thanks for putting the photo on you may be right in your comment that it may need lots of work for bracing application on the other hand it may in fact reduce the bracing application due to panels being large 4 feet X 8 feet . As far as I have been informed this system has ICBO rating and information and it has been approved by the Department Of Water and Power for the city of Burbank California. They have sent me photos for the Burbank project that was completed several years ago.

Take care



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