That's exactly what i was trying to say. Thank you. When you do your homework and present the code stuff to your building official - there is nothing he can do weather it be ontario or washington.

As a homeowner call up your ICF manufacturer and they will give you all the stuff you need.

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Jerry,

I honestly cannot agree with you making any potential ICF customers scared of the permit process.

From personal experience - as long as you go in and show them the papers they have to accept it. I understand that some of them suffer of the God complex but to bend over and take it is not the way to deal with bullies.

I have dealt with inspectors all over and they are for the most part - reasonable human beings. And if by losing the war you mean - them catching you every time you try to take shortcuts - well don't take shortcuts. Do it right.

My appologies Baldwin and others. I was speaking in general terms, not limited to ICF, which probably should have been in another forum altogether.
ICF fares no worse in most permitting processes than most other construction. Even better in some places.
I've deleted my previous post.

Go to this link and you'll find prime example of what is being discussed about already stamped engeneering.
Bottom of page in "other downloads" look for engeneering manual. Everything is there for this particular block.

http://www.integraspec.com/downloads.htm

There is no such thing as "already stamped engineering." I don't know the laws in Canada, but in most states here in the US, the sealed tables are not allowed.

There are prescriptive design tables that may be used for basement walls within certain parameters, as discussed in this thread. The design parameters fall within allowable range for ,most applications. Outside of those parameters, an engineer's seal is required, indicating that it was designed by an engineer. A table cannot take all necessary design information into account.

A "pre-engineered" table, such as those published (if used outside of prescriptive limitations) does not fit that bill. If these tables are presented as "engineering" for construction with the knowledge or allowance of Mr. Leggett, he can be prosecuted for practicing engineering without a license. The individual licensing boards would decide whether the company itself is also liable.

Well good thing you don't live here cause you'd would'nt make as much moneys.
Have you had a look at the steel in ICF vs Conventionnal( figure of speech ; I know you have). Rebar requirements are nearly trippled in ICF so I think were safe.
I do agree that in some cases engeneering has to be revised but there are very few instances.
9' basements are common in my area and no problems ever encoutnered for residential homes.
We leave large lintels and point loads to smart people like you though.

I do believe Mr. Legett is well know and was the engeneer for the Sky Dome. Not 100% on that one but it was that range of magnitude.

Our engineering is based on meeting certain parameters of the building, if we go outside those parameters it needs to be engineered individually.

I.E. without researching it, I believe if the structure exceeds a foot print of 40x80 it must be engineered. Somewhere in the ICF tables hidden you will find these little tidbits of information. Sometimes the plans examiner catches them, sometimes they don't.

I'm normally within the city of Toronto doing custom homes, I can pull everything out of the manufacturers tables but the building department wants it all engineered, so be it, why argue, you may win the battle but you will lose the war.

I have been in other municipalities where your 'installer' card is all they want to see, others that look at my bracing...not the wall, and pass it and others who read the plan and spend 2 hours inspecting every lintel and point load on the project and then ask for the engineers report!!

Bottom line if you have an engineer who understands concrete curing inside of ICF and works it out they can normally save you rebar and labor since the manufacturer tables are extremely safe.

Sorry for getting off topic