MagDaddy; I know what the UL stamp is for. I posed the question before: does any MgO board have ICC certification?

NO..zero..nada..niet..if they say they do run if they say ICC does their testing or witnessed their testing RUN

Posted By MagDaddy on 23 Dec 2011 08:38 PM
NO..zero..nada..niet..if they say they do run if they say ICC does their testing or witnessed their testing RUN

Well my next question would be: what is the certification number?

000=0000=000 their ain't none..but good question

g2tech must of went dark..so Ed what are you saying that your low density Magnum Board is not certfied but yoiur high density board is certified ? what's the differnce ?? we only make one kind of board you must have a couple or more..I'm confused..also why are you hiding under the name g2tech do you have something to hide makes the conversation look a little shady and it's not good for the MgO industry as a whole Tim out..just stand behind your word and sometimes you have to document it..it's just a part of good business

Tim, how about the MgO board importers get together and coop the testing that SIPA (Structural Insulated Panel Association) would like done? That way members could get the engineering, otherwise each SIP maker has to have their panel tested. So far OSB/EPS is the only standardized SIP, it would be nice if MgO/EPS was the second. You claim to want to do good for the MgO industry, getting MgO SIPs standardized would be good of MgO and SIPs.
I met with a SIPA representative and he sugested it. He also said a fee could be charged to their members to further spread out the cost.

Brad..I would be all in with both feet.. thanks for asking ..we all ready have done most of the leg work and up front costs..and have years of testing to share on SIPS...we would be happy to work with SIPA and you and anybody else that is looking to make a better SIP it will be good for everybody..let's also look into a MgO Asssociation to make sure everybody is compliant and police our own industry..this is my chosen career and I take it very seriuosly as you can tell.. it takes only one magor blow up and it will tarnish the industry for years I have been down this road before with a differnt product not my first rodeo..I welcome this reccomendation it's music to my ears..through trial and error we have built several hundred structures and learned a lot..this industry is so big we could never supply it all..just want to make sure that the unscupulous brokers don't screw it up for everyone..mark my words MgO SIPS will be a huge player in the world market..it just makes to much sense.. call me anytime I have a few ideas and some support from some major players who are taking a hard and pain stakely long look at what were doing..Tim out ..you can't just slap any MgO board to some foam and call it a day..trust me on this

Get on you tube and pull up " MagWall Delivery System"and have a look .. affordable housing has now become affordable ..I have run the numbers 9 ways to Sunday..you can build safe energy efficent building enevilopes at a lower cost then cement block

Tim, But you would have to work with Magnum Board and any other MgO companies we could get on board.

No problem..real ceritied 3rd party witnessed testing that is traceable back to every batch that is made.. and quartely audits will show who the players are... other wise it won't work... I'm all in.... I will go to Washington and see SIPA with you..make the meeting and I'm there with 5 lbs and 3 binders of testing on both boards and SIPS

Posted By EnergyWiseBuilding on 23 Dec 2011 11:22 PM
Tim, how about the MgO board importers get together and coop the testing that SIPA (Structural Insulated Panel Association) would like done? That way members could get the engineering, otherwise each SIP maker has to have their panel tested. So far OSB/EPS is the only standardized SIP, it would be nice if MgO/EPS was the second. You claim to want to do good for the MgO industry, getting MgO SIPs standardized would be good of MgO and SIPs.
I met with a SIPA representative and he sugested it. He also said a fee could be charged to their members to further spread out the cost.

Brad;
SIPA is an OSB dominated association, any other system is the "red headed stepchild" of the industry , Cost for a manufacturer to join is staggering.
I can understand why alternative skin SIPs would not want to join SIPA, as besides the cost they are not wanted in the first place

I wonder if Davis Wilson, the original poster, still monitors this thread after over 4-1/2 years?

Posted By cmkavala on 24 Dec 2011 06:19 AM

Posted By EnergyWiseBuilding on 23 Dec 2011 11:22 PM
Tim, how about the MgO board importers get together and coop the testing that SIPA (Structural Insulated Panel Association) would like done? That way members could get the engineering, otherwise each SIP maker has to have their panel tested. So far OSB/EPS is the only standardized SIP, it would be nice if MgO/EPS was the second. You claim to want to do good for the MgO industry, getting MgO SIPs standardized would be good of MgO and SIPs.
I met with a SIPA representative and he sugested it. He also said a fee could be charged to their members to further spread out the cost.

Brad;
SIPA is an OSB dominated association, any other system is the "red headed stepchild" of the industry , Cost for a manufacturer to join is staggering.
I can understand why alternative skin SIPs would not want to join SIPA, as besides the cost they are not wanted in the first place

I don't get that impression at all, they want alternatives, it is just that the testing/engineering is expensive. I assume they used OSB because it is the most popular. I am not a fan of OSB myself. SIPA is relatively new, right? Just think if there were three; OSB, MgO and steel as standard SIPs. It would be better for the whole industry. but to get steel suppliers to chip in for universal engineering might be tougher than MgO.

Posted By EnergyWiseBuilding on 24 Dec 2011 01:32 PM

Posted By cmkavala on 24 Dec 2011 06:19 AM

Posted By EnergyWiseBuilding on 23 Dec 2011 11:22 PM
Tim, how about the MgO board importers get together and coop the testing that SIPA (Structural Insulated Panel Association) would like done? That way members could get the engineering, otherwise each SIP maker has to have their panel tested. So far OSB/EPS is the only standardized SIP, it would be nice if MgO/EPS was the second. You claim to want to do good for the MgO industry, getting MgO SIPs standardized would be good of MgO and SIPs.
I met with a SIPA representative and he sugested it. He also said a fee could be charged to their members to further spread out the cost.

Brad;
SIPA is an OSB dominated association, any other system is the "red headed stepchild" of the industry , Cost for a manufacturer to join is staggering.
I can understand why alternative skin SIPs would not want to join SIPA, as besides the cost they are not wanted in the first place

I don't get that impression at all, they want alternatives, it is just that the testing/engineering is expensive. I assume they used OSB because it is the most popular. I am not a fan of OSB myself. SIPA is relatively new, right? Just think if there were three; OSB, MgO and steel as standard SIPs. It would be better for the whole industry. but to get steel suppliers to chip in for universal engineering might be tougher than MgO.

Brad;
I have been a member of SIPA for over 10 years, I am not sure just how old the organization is.

There is no such thing as universal engineering, each manufacturer needs to get there own engineering.

many systems have patented or proprietary that make them unuiqe
There are many facturs, such as glue, foam densities, tensile steel strength, coil widths, interlock, that all contribute to different test results.

The fact is even a seperate manufacturing locations for the same company needs to be third party certified to be in ICC compliance

Then what makes OSB the standard if not for testing and engineering for structual use?

Posted By EnergyWiseBuilding on 24 Dec 2011 01:56 PM
Then what makes OSB the standard if not for testing and engineering for structual use?

Brad; Don't confuse standard connection details with engineering

Then what makes them the standard? Is there no span charts or anything?

Posted By EnergyWiseBuilding on 24 Dec 2011 03:45 PM
Then what makes them the standard? Is there no span charts or anything?

No, span charts are proprietary

I cannot decide to glue up my own OSB SIPs and then point to R controls span charts

Has anyone noted any difference in transmission of wireless Internet signal from a wireless router thru MgO subfloors and walls compared to wood, gypsum board or similar materials ?
Thanks in advance.