Stonecaveman's pricing is pretty much in line with where OSB SIPs should be. Anything about $3.50 per square foot with R-29 is too much. It simply does not cost that much to make these things, and that's $3.50 with cuts and such.

There is nothing competitive about $4.50 per square foot for SIPs, steel or otherwise. This is why SIPs represent 2% of the market and not 92%. We overvalue and definitely overprice and as such people look elsewhere. Don't buy into the hype, our products should not cost that much...

Gsfrey;

avoiding the question: What would the price be for a 4'x 27'  ?

Chris,

Not avoiding the question just trying to remember if we ever had a need for 4' x 27'. We use 8' x 24' for industrial stuff and are waiting on the industry to decide what the new properties are for SIP specific OSB so they can begin to manufacture the 8' x 28' sheets. We are working on a 9' x 29' press to accomodate them as we speak.

In the meantime, if you have some work you cannot handle give me a call... we'll come do it for you.

I think you did a good job of avoiding it , you addressed future capability instead of price.

Over 24 ft. is common, my own home has 26 ft. long panels and we have handled 36 footers, have the cabability of 53ft. longer with special haul permits, have a upcoming project in Virginia with 12" x 56 ft. long roof panels

You are quick to quote the 4' x 8' panel as it is probably the best price point

The point of course was our price per sq. ft. remains contant regardless of length 3 ft. to 53ft., giving consumers a splice free roof and wall

I'll let you know if we need help

You are quite correct, and you already knew the answer. The price of OSB goes up with the size of the panel. This translates to a higher priced SIP. It still is not near $4.20 per square foot. It just isn't.

There is an advantage to a straight-line pricing model, unless the price is too high along the entire line.

I stand ready to help in any other matters of concern you come upon... You know taking our much lower priced OSB or MgO Sips into Florida is certainly appealing. Think we could team up and conquer the entire state.

Let me know. I always keep a ready bag packed....

Gsfrey;

you priced 6-1/2" and I priced 8", if you calculate the cost of labor & materials  for soffit/fascia and vapor barrier that is already installed on our system you will exceed $4.20

the termites are starving bring the OSB

No one is starving when you charge $4.20 per square foot for anything.

We can do it all and for a considerable savings. I know steel is good, you've said so. But for $4.20 per square foot you ought to be building with gold.

I will make a bet with you. Give me a plan and give me the list of things included and I'll beat your price. We are a manufacturer so we don't have distributor overhead, we don't live in Florida so we don't have the high rents you do and we certainly don't have the grossly overpaid management you have.

Simple or compound plan I don't care. Let's give it a go, shall we? I take your $4.20 per square foot price and I give you an 8" OSB Sip home. Any dollars I save on the project you give to my charity and any dollars I go over I give to your favorite charity.

Well?

Greg;

I don't rent, you don't know what my overhead is, you don't know what our management wages are and you have still avoided pricing a 4 x 27 panel.

well?

What a pathetic pissing match, like two old men with flared prostates.

24'x30' gable, 6/12 pitch, 2 - 36" doors, 6 - 36"x40" windows, 1 patio door 1 6'x5' window, give an estimate each with any included extras as applicable or unavoidable as well as whats not included.

you forgot wall height, wall and roof thickness, roof overhangs, is the intent to be clear span or posted beam?

Relax Greentree!

You do not have to be so obnoxious. I guess on your computer you have to read what Chris or I write. I thought you had the option to read what you wanted... If my joking with someone makes you that uncomfortable, well maybe me thinks you discuss flared prostrates too much.

If you really want to know a price send the plan to someone. I am accessible through this forum as are a numbr of other manufacturers. I don't think it good for business to quote a plan for the benefit fo their competitors. You gave just enough information to get a bad quote.

To his credit my friend from Georgia gave you some insight as to what makes for a good quote. Send me the information and I'll send you back a plan. Do the same with a dozen of my competitors and see who has the best price.

Again, I apologize if my joking with Chris was so painful or you. I did not mean to make your prostrates flare!

Sorry, I meant prostates not prostrates...

Greg,
A public forum with a good title which indicates something useful to learn and you and chris blather back and forth for 2 pages about nothing. Then when you suggest a good idea such as a simple quote against quote for all to see and I call you on it you slither back into the corner. Too bad, that would have interesting. Do a quote for everyone with the specs I gave and info from Georgia, you should be so lucky to have a golden opportunity since you're so confident with your pricing. I look forward to seeing it.

I have no idea what you are saying...

You want a quote for what you posted, okay:
Do you want 8' walls or 9' walls?
Do you want 6 1/2" or 8" panels? R-value is specific to thickness.
Am I going to install them or are you?

I can span the roof without anything but a ridge beam, but I would like to know if you are going to use trusses. With trusses I can save you more money using 8' panels instead of spanning the entire with 16' panels.

Other than that I can quote you exactly what it will be and if you throw in your address, I will give you the freight cost delivered.

Greg,
It's your idea. Take a simple design and quote it, note what is included and what isn't to make it plain as vanilla. Lets keep it simple. Since you ask I want 8' walls, 6 1/2" panels unless chris only does 8" in which case I would want 8" since I want chris to quote this as well as any other manufacturers or distributors who will see this opportunity. I will install, no freight and lets say ridge beam. Keep the roof thickness the minimum to span and note thickness/r value.
This is a scenario i made up on the fly, I have no intention of using the design or possible quote.

I can tell from the post you have no idea what to ask for, so I'll help.

We need an 30' Glulam, I'll throw that in.
We need Soffit/Facia and vapor barrier, I'll throw that in.
We need cuts and openings, I'll throw that in.
Pressure treated lumber for the sill plate, I got it.
Lumber for the windows, doors and top plates, I got that, too.

The necessary OSB sips, 8" OSB sips, is 2,080 square feet.

We will charge $3.50 per square foot for the whole thing; $7,280.00

Greg;

just send me the free stuff and keep the building!
 since this is a fantasy bid we will run the panels parallel  to the ridge and eliminate the beam entirely amd supply the whole thing for $6,995.
(Friday the 13th. special, expires at 3PM . EST)

I'll get the truck gassed up and the free stuff on the way.

If we really want to fantasy this out, I am going to use the new Glulamless roof system.

New price, $6,995, one hour only. Two hours if you are in New Mexico.

Great, I just posted it on Craig's list for 1/2 price any ETA?

It was hard to follow what was going on in this post

But steel SIPs will beat anything out there price,Longivaty,& energy efficency,I have been building with them to many years......

Ralph Locke,Deland,Fl
Environmental Construction & Consulting Inc
www.Flgreenbuilder.com...386-490-4599