Maybe it's people with a wit just get it, is this simple enough!

i get it!

Chris,

When was the last time you actually had a synapse fire above your neck?


John

A what above the neck? I don't get it? smaller words please for the common folk. you got any one sylable/  one liners?

Precisely.   I couldn't have summed it up better.


John

Get what?

John,

You obviously have anger issues stemming from a tramatic experience in your childhood. With a need to demean others.
You should seek professional help

Dr. Barney

Bubba,

Do you honestly think anyone reading this isn't aware you're the same guy with whom I've been exchanging messages in this thread?

Here's a clue:   Date Joined - TODAY     Number of Posts - 1

You've got the subtlety and sophistication of a bowling alley cashier.



John

Do you happen to sell steel skinned SIPs as well?

 

John;

You do seem awfully high strung

John;

please visit HELP 

GeorgiaTom:

Here's a tip. . . if you're going to pretend that you're some bubba named Barney Lowe, alter the format of your postings a bit. You may also want to see about having that banjo music shut off that plays every time you say something in here.


John

Man, you cannot pay for this...

John,

Used car lot? Not insult intended? Seriously? Man you are a piece of work. Kinda went Norma Rae didn't you?

The Shaker's used to say, "Form follows function" meaning you figure first what the purpose of the work is and then you build to accomodate the need. So, if we consult on the front end with a customer we should attempt to incorporate their interests. Having said that, I am the builder and when things really get outside of my comfort zone I use an architect to protect all parties involved. In your scenerio the inmates would be running the asylum.

In terms of the best home built, it is really quite simple, is the home built using a better mix of products providing an improved quality of life while maintaining a comparable price point? What about that is confusing? I make no claims to be building a monopoly anywhere we conduct business. Why do I want dumb customers? That's right, dumb customers. I, instead send them to my competitors. (Read the book "Angels and Demons") I will not let a homeowner's design desires wreck my desire to build the best home built.

If you compare a home, what it takes to build, what it consumes to operate it and what is takes to keep it operating properly, there are clear distinctions as to whose home is best. It may not be everyone's first choice, but a customer's choice to buy a home does not make a quality statement about the home. Afterall people drove Yugos. I think after you calm down a litte, you will feel better.

I recommed a little fiber, no insult intended.

Greg:

The people who drove Yugos are still around. They're now NASCAR enthusiasts who peddle Steel SIPs for a living. And I'd imagine the Steel SIP doublewides they've built for themselves are indeed The Very Best Doublewides is their whole county, clear down to the tasteful tractor tire in the front yard full of dead geraniums and the huge sputtering pan of fried pickles and 'possum on the stove.

I think it was Mencken who once said that "no one has ever gone broke underestimating the taste of the American public." And that notion certainly doesn't exclude the building of homes. I'm not advocating building a crappy house, though. I'm advocating that a builder who claims they build The Best House should be more open to the possibility that there are tons of ways of doing it and that their own preferred approach isn't the only one worthy of consideration.

I believe your pickles are burning. . . .


John

Greg;

John is obviously a ranting maniac who enjoys calling people names.

I think it was Forrest Gump that said"stupid is as stupid does"

I have not advocated any way of doing it, but rather asked of the better technologies on the market and in the opinion of the experienced green builders gathered here, what would provide the builder the opportunity to build the best home built.

Again, the best home built would take less to build, less to maintain and would use less to keep the systems working properly... If we are having a discussion about what of current technologies available that can play at this level are best, then that is a great arguement. And to be in a market where the home buyers have multiple folks playing at that level make it a better place to live for sure. I don't understand your anger or your need to quote obscure literary references. If it is your intention to appear to be a learned, educated man, congratulations, who would have thought of Mencken. Most here would have quoted Faulkner, us being undeducated rednecks and all.

Regardless, you have missed the entire point of the post and this site has been made worse for your having been here.

Those of us who make our living as builders tend to develop a sense of what we feel is the best way of doing things.
We all do it. Most of us would disagree as to all the details, and some of us would disagree about all the details. But any builder who is worth a d#^* will have strong opinions about his products. I know that when a client comes to me, I try to impress upon them that there are certain points that are critical to building a good home. And if they cannot agree with me on these issues, I prefer not to continue working with that client. Some builders in my area take pride in building the biggest, most garish POS in the county. My pride works in other directions.

My point is that all of us on this board who are professional designers and/or builders are here because we believe strongly in the products that we use and want to encourage others to join us in their use.

By the way John, I was born and raised about as far back in the boonies as you can get. I never ate a possum, or fried a pickle, and the last time I saw a tractor tire used as a flower bed was in a Chicago suburb.

Wes:

Clearly, your head is in the right place. I wasn't referring to anyone in these forums aside from the couple with whom I was in a dialog earlier in this thread.

No offense intended.


John

I'm thinking of posting my thoughts and requests for help in finding the "best built" home for my family's requirements.  The choices are not cast in stone at this time and will need to be threads in several areas.  Here is how I'm leaning at this time...  One story with walkout basement, 1,700 to 2,000 sf, foundation/basement vertical ICF, framing SIP with truss roof, heating/cooling small forced air.

One thing I have picked up from PanelCrafters is that insulation trumps heating costs - the better your total package is at reducing thermal requirements the less you need to spend for conditioning.  With some planing you should be able to adapt to future heating/cooling choices if needed and be better positioned with a well insulated home.

I've noticed that several others have been posting about the same style of home lately.  Thanks, and have a nice day...

☺

Steve Cox

Faulkner?  Mencken?  Oh, dear. . .   and I was about to quote Norm.