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Banerpan
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| 31 Jan 2011 07:04 PM |
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Sorry. i though you where gone buid in Ontario, sorry, i am sure you are gone find somebody good through this forum |
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bp f150
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| 02 Feb 2011 11:26 AM |
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Pierre (Banerpan),
I sent you a private message. Please check it out.
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Banerpan
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| 02 Feb 2011 01:52 PM |
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Yes i received it, but i cannot answer it, there is no return adress |
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bp f150
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| 02 Feb 2011 03:58 PM |
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Sorry Banerpan, sent a new PM. |
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bp f150
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| 17 Feb 2011 12:09 AM |
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I have been discussing using SIPs with a few people in Northern Ontario, and they told me to look into them carefully since it seems that the ESA (electrical safety authority) or atleast some of there employees seem to think that SIPs cannot comply with electrical code. Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?
I really want to use what seems to be a great technology, however the more things progress, the more SIPs seem to be prohibitive. Either it be costs, code compliance, and even some people involved within the industry (poor customer service from some individuals at some companies). It seems unfortunate that I am looking to be convinced into using what seems to be a good system. Do any others share similar thoughts ?
Also, are there people within Ontario, Canada that would be wiling to share positive experiences with SIPs? Did use SIPs for foundation walls ?
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vkykam
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| 21 Feb 2011 10:11 AM |
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For what it's worth, we've had no issues with ESA's and the SIPs. What's their objection?
Victor
www.ecobuilthome.ca
A 4350sqft cold climate Net Zero Energy initiative |
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bp f150
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| 21 Feb 2011 10:57 PM |
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I am not sure what their objection.s is or are, but what from people are saying it seems that the problem lies in the fact they cannor see the wire within the panels, therefore they cannot confirm if there are splice in the wire or if the wires are far enough away from the sheathing. Nonetheless, thank you for saying that you did not encouter any problems.
I called the ESA the questions for wiring SIPs and the response I received is that it was to technical and that I would know only when I or the electrician would apply for a permit. However I want to know before I send checks out to begin panelization of my plan. I will try to get in touch with the local ESA people in order to get conformation from them. |
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cmkavala
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| 22 Feb 2011 07:04 AM |
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In the NEC romex is supposed to be secured away from the box, there is no way to do that in the foam chase, there is no way as you say to determine if there or any splices, how many wires in the chase or if low voltage wiring is alongside high voltage wiring when everything is covered up,
I have seen the outside plastic jacket get skinned off romex while trying to pull wires thru chases once it gets buried it is a potential fire hazard. |
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| Chris Kavala<br>[email protected]<br>1-877-321-SIPS<br /> |
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3cityblue
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| 23 Feb 2011 02:36 PM |
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Is this the case in the US? Most manufacturers offer the chases and some even charge extra to put them in. Seems odd that offered chases which appear to be the norm would be running afoul of inspectors. Any US builders that can comment? Having to furr out could very well tip the scale to a different system in some cases. |
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Bruce
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| 24 Feb 2011 11:30 AM |
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While the logic of not being able to see in the chase sounds reasonable on the surface, it doesn't make much sense when you look at it from another angle. The chase issue would exist in a conduit. Electrical conduits are the norm in commercial construction and some areas like Chicago for residential construction. What is the difference of using a chase in the SIP or using conduit? You can't see inside of either of them to see if the wire was spliced inside of it. |
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Torben
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| 24 Feb 2011 02:02 PM |
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The main difference is one is flammable and the other is not. |
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cmkavala
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| 25 Feb 2011 05:16 AM |
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Posted By Bruce on 24 Feb 2011 11:30 AM
While the logic of not being able to see in the chase sounds reasonable on the surface, it doesn't make much sense when you look at it from another angle. The chase issue would exist in a conduit. Electrical conduits are the norm in commercial construction and some areas like Chicago for residential construction. What is the difference of using a chase in the SIP or using conduit? You can't see inside of either of them to see if the wire was spliced inside of it. One is UL rated and one is not, you can pull wire back out of a conduit because it is smooth and has sweeping corners, SIP chases are abrupt 90 degree turns and romex does not pull well in EPS it gets caught. Very often you need to cut access plugs to get around the turns during construction, those plugs are then covered up. Another point is you cannot use romex wiring in conduit, it has to be "unjacketed" insulated wires |
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| Chris Kavala<br>[email protected]<br>1-877-321-SIPS<br /> |
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