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| 11/14/2007 5:37 PM |
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Posted By jmagill on 11/14/2007 5:18 PM STRUCTALLand better yet a price list LINK
Yea, and don't forget to ask them about their de- lam policy
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Dick Mills
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| 11/15/2007 2:05 AM |
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Have you guys seen this site:
LINK
I am in California, so I look for west coast products and these guys fit that bill. On their website they have several home plan models complete with estimated pricing (they say that the engineering costs in some areas might bump the price up.) Their offerings are OSB EPS sips, and the roof is a truss system with 8+" sips for the roof. Their prices also appear to include siding, but only when the design calls for lap siding (they supply Hardy lap siding with those.)
They also have a fairly large range of models, the most outlandish of which is their McMansion - but it is pretty cool.
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Jelly
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| 11/15/2007 5:00 AM |
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Posted By jmagill on 11/14/2007 5:18 PM and better yet a price list LINK[/quote]Wow - to actually see a price list - that's awesome. This really helps me figure out whether steel SIPS is for me. I downloaded their price list (titled Sec1_PriceList.pdf). They list an item (8" thick Snap-n-Lock 4' wide 26 gauge USDA Steel Snap-n-Lock Panel) with a cost of 9.40 (1 LB Foam List sq. ft.). Am I reading this right - that means the 8 inch thick 4 foot wide panel costs 9.40 [i]per square foot? [/i]So if I have a 17 foot length, I multiply 17 feet long by 4 feet wide to get the square footage, then mulitply the result by 9.40 to get my cost per panel? Sorry - I don't mean to sound like a moron! But I just want to get an accurate ballpark price in mind. I assumed they would price it by linear foot. That would make a big difference in the result, and I need to get some realistic numbers here. |
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| 11/15/2007 6:21 AM |
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I callenge any of you to contact Structall and then PLEASE come back to post your experience, My own home was built with their panels in 2001. For reasons you will find out yourselves ( attitide of indifference) and other reasons you will find out we and many others quit doing business with them.
Please read St. Pete Times article from 2001 LINK Structall has a fine product but the CEO micro-manages everything so much that, in my opinion has held back the company from suceeding.
The list price on their product is not the sell price they use variable multipliers depending on who you are |
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jmagill
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| 11/15/2007 6:42 AM |
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Hold your horses!
No one has recomended this supplier but the lack of info on your site and others has had people looking for more info.
This site at least does that.
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Jelly
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| 11/15/2007 6:55 AM |
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Posted By cmkavala on 11/15/2007 6:21 AM
The list price on their product is not the sell price they use variable multipliers depending on who you are Ok but is that in the ballpark? Am I calculating it correctly? I don't know why it has to be such a mystery.
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| 11/15/2007 8:59 AM |
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| The best way to get a good faith price is to send a copy of your floor plan with elevation to the various companies and have them work up a bid on the house. I sent my floor plan that i did myself with punch-pro design program, I sent it to ten different companies both steel sip and OSB and asked for a complete bid and details of everything that their "kit" would include and what I would need to provide. Although the OSB bids were a bit cheaper I soon found out that there were many other expenses such as cranes and other things that made the steel sip option in the same if not cheaper ball park. AS I investigated more and more, I felt that for hurricane and termite filled Florida the steel sip was the way to go. It took less labor as well to install as the panels just click together. But have each company bid on the exact same floor plan and you will get your estimate. |
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| 11/15/2007 9:24 AM |
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Right, if it's SIPs it would have to be steel SIPs for me, too. OSB is out of the question.
Donaldson - do you have a rough idea of what just the cost of the steel SIP panels were per square foot on your project? Is 9 dollars per square foot of panel anywhere in the ballpark? I'm just talking about material cost.
I think I'm getting the picture that SIPs is not really for the DIYer. |
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| 11/15/2007 3:54 PM |
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Posted By jmagill on 11/15/2007 6:42 AM
Hold your horses!
No one has recomended this supplier but the lack of info on your site and others has had people looking for more info.
This site at least does that.
The implication is there
I have always offerd any information that you want via direct e-mail contact, what specifically are you looking for?
Jelly;
you need to get the multiplier from them - $9.40 is the list price - good luck
our current pricing thru LINK is :
$18.48 per lineal foot for 4" FOB Atlanta + tax
$19.68 per lineal foot for 6" FOB Atlanta + tax
Shadowline Panels are 45.5" wide and available in lengths up to 53' long
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jmagill
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| 11/15/2007 4:05 PM |
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"I have always offerd any information that you want via direct e-mail contact, what specifically are you looking for?"
Nothing against you or your info. I just like to see all the possible info I can in public view. Most Sip and ICF websites post manuals, how-to's, etc.
I can then see all the info from several companies and make informed decsions.
I will not be using steel skinned sips due to personal reasons not a reflection on the product. I still like to investigate and learn about all the products.
That is the reason I posted what I found because others are also searching for as much info as possible.
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| 11/15/2007 4:33 PM |
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jmagill;
I am a SIP builder, it wouldn't make sense for me to share my expertise gratis? We have finished several building for DIYers and licensed contractors that had gotten in over their heads. There is a learning curve to any new building system. We would certainly like to at least install the shell and then let an owner/builder take over from that point. Then we know they haven't goofed up anything structurally |
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| 11/15/2007 4:46 PM |
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"I am a SIP builder, it wouldn't make sense for me to share my expertise gratis?
Then why are you on this site? Is not the purpose of this site a free exchange of information and experiance?
There are many ICF, SIP builders who are here doing that every day. I am very thankfull that they do.
And I should add that a builder who frequents this site will be doing my new home. The info they shared here on this site
and the way they did was the reason I will be using them. I approached them, they had no idea I would be moving to their area. |
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| 11/15/2007 4:49 PM |
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Jelly,
Don't loose heart, I think that if you were to visit a Steel Sip Job sight you would see how easy it is to build. I visited three shights before deciding to build. If my house would have been one story I would have put the house together myself., But looking back having a Sip crew do the work coast me only $16,000 labor for a total of just over 4,000 sq feet counting porches etc which was $4 sq ft traded ready for labor which considering the overall cost of the house that was one of the smallest expenses of the house, I spent more on driveways or fill dirt then the physical construction of the shell being brought to trade ready. However a friend of mine is about to put the drywall up on his house that he built with a bunch of friends helping out on a couple of weekends. They had a sip contractor there to guide them and get them started but after they were under way they felt they didn't need even his help. That is how simple this construction is. I am not a builder but wouldn't hesitate to build my next home myself.
The organization that I work for just put up a 64 x 30 duplex at our retirement center. We had the sip contractor there to guide us but everyone building except for my self had not done a steel sip building before. It was started on Monday at 9 am and dried in by Wed. 10 am. all with volunteer labor.
The biggest thing is getting help in planning out the panels and the cuts and angles, you don't want to cut the wrong panel or cut a gable end the wrong way. But since it is male and female ends it is pretty easy to keep tract. The best I can figure I had about $7 sq ft for the panels this included any c channel or tracts , screws, etc. So figuring $9 sq Ft of panel space would give you a good budget. One thing that effects the price is the amount of detail, dormers, second roof lines ,hips and valleys etc. My home is just one gable roof, no hips, valleys, chimneys etc. The only panels we had to cut were the gable ends, we did miter joint the corners but they don't do that any more as a butt joint has proved to be stronger. |
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| 11/15/2007 4:52 PM |
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Donaldson
Could you tell us which steel panel manufcturer you used? |
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| 11/15/2007 7:38 PM |
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Posted By jmagill on 11/15/2007 4:52 PM
Donaldson
Could you tell us which steel panel manufcturer you used?
He used Metals USA, SIPbLOC panels and I put it up for him
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| 11/15/2007 7:58 PM |
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Posted By jmagill on 11/15/2007 4:46 PM
"I am a SIP builder, it wouldn't make sense for me to share my expertise gratis?
Then why are you on this site? Is not the purpose of this site a free exchange of information and experiance?
There are many ICF, SIP builders who are here doing that every day. I am very thankfull that they do.
And I should add that a builder who frequents this site will be doing my new home. The info they shared here on this site
and the way they did was the reason I will be using them. I approached them, they had no idea I would be moving to their area.
jmagill;
The information is free. Go back and review the 200+ posts and you will see that I share all the questions that are posed to me regarding my experience with both OSB and SIPs.
When I say I can't pass along my expertise .. I mean my 35 years as a builder cannot be condensed into a couple of sentences.
I can't teach someone to be a builder on the internet
I have never refused to share connection details ,engineering, etc. I just don't have them listed on my web-site as a builder, because I do not manufacture them.
SIPA has posted standard OSB details on their web-site but they have for years ignored the growing steel sip information available to them. You should approach them about posting steel connection details on their site as well
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| 11/15/2007 8:09 PM |
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"It's good your builder frequents the site how about some active participation from him"
He posts all the time.
At no time have I questioned you, your product or your website. All I did was post info about site that had info that others looking at Steel skinned sips would like to see.
As I said before the more info we have, the more informed a descion we can make.
I don't think the website I posted is the perfect website but is is more info for those of us that want it. |
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| 11/15/2007 8:24 PM |
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jmagill;
You did question as to why I was on this forum
I'll share any information any time to a direct email address as the forum
does not allow large files to be uploaded. Some engineering docs are 44 pages |
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