lambabbey
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I've been considering up until now to simply heat the new house that I'm designing by relying on passive solar and by using radiant in-floor heat, both in poured slab as well as Warmboard. I think radiant floors are a great idea on many levels. As of late though, I've been considering going a different direction for part of the house, based mostly on the fact that the envelope for the place will be air tight, super-insulated and not require a heck of a lot of energy to heat. In particular, I'm considering scrapping the Warmboard altogether, just keeping the in-slab radiant heat in parts of the house, and heating the rest of the structure using a number of European-style radiators that I stumbled across that I think would add a great aesthetic to the house.
The company that makes them is a UK-based company called Aestus (www.aestus.co.uk). They don't have a US distributor, so I'd have to buy from them direct and hire a 3rd party to ship them to the States. In other words, this isn't an option that's particularly economical (nor is Warmboard, by the way.) I'm considering it though because I really like how many of these radiators look (you can download their catalog here.) What I wanted to hear from folks on here is what they see the downsides being to going this route. These aren't the clanging, hissing radiators that many of us grew up with; they're virtually silent from what I understand. What I don't know however is what I'd be giving up foregoing the Warmboard and going strictly with a number of these radiators instead. I've attached photos of a few models to give you an idea of what I'm considering.
Any thoughts?
John
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John A Gasbarre
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PanelCrafters
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| 04/10/2008 1:24 PM |
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Posted By lambabbey on 04/10/2008 12:43 PM
In particular, I'm considering scrapping the Warmboard altogether, just keeping the in-slab radiant heat in parts of the house, and heating the rest of the structure using a number of European-style radiators that I stumbled across that I think would add a great aesthetic to the house.
Any thoughts?
You will be happy with the results. When we retrofitted my poorly designed system(fingers pointing!), due to copious amounts of windows and high ceilings I went with baseboard radiators(Runtal), they worked great and solved my problem.
The only downside(compared to radiant floor) is that you'll need to run your boiler output at a higher temperature.
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warmsmeallup
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| 04/10/2008 7:47 PM |
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Lambabbey:
You're right on the mark, if you are building an "airtight" envelope. Here's a great article that tells you why. Really tak eth etime to read the whole article. It's worth it.
http://www.oregon.gov/ENERGY/CONS/RES/tax/Radiant.shtml
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NRT.Rob
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| 04/15/2008 5:02 PM |
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| man, some of those radiators are totally sweet for sure though. that catalog was worth a download!! |
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lambabbey
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| 04/15/2008 5:18 PM |
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Sweet Jesus. . . Rob actually has a sense of aesthetic behind that scraggly beard.
Whooda thunkit?
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NRT.Rob
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| 04/15/2008 5:21 PM |
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But john!!! IF IT'S NOT LOW TEMP, IT'S CRAP!!
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BadgerBoilerMN
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| 04/15/2008 5:47 PM |
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Buderus, Myson and Runtal stock radiators right here in the USA and they can be designed for low relatively low temperatures. I do it every day!
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lambabbey
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| 04/15/2008 6:02 PM |
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Badger,
They're also ugly as shit, too.
Go download the Aestus brochure.
Better yet, check out the radiator below.
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warmsmeallup
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| 04/15/2008 6:09 PM |
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John
Now that's beautiful. Who make that one?
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lambabbey
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| 04/15/2008 6:27 PM |
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Russ:
Here's a LINK.
John
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PanelCrafters
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| 04/15/2008 6:54 PM |
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Buderus, Myson and Runtal stock radiators right here in the USA and they can be designed for low relatively low temperatures. I do it every day!
Posted By lambabbey on 04/15/2008 6:02 PM
Badger,
They're also ugly as shit, too.
Nope, wrong! Runtal makes some decent looking radiators. Now, if you are looking for a radiator that looks like a piece of art, and want to pay for it, that's another story.
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slenzen
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| 04/15/2008 10:25 PM |
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| I read that article about hydronic radiant. hmmmm....I am planning a modern passive solar home in MN w/ concrete floors and tight building evelope. I don't want a cool concrete floor on the feet in winter but will have lots of south facing glass for passive solar. How do you handle this situation? |
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NRT.Rob
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| 04/16/2008 10:38 AM |
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floor sensing.
cool doesn't mean cold, by the way. with temp maintenance, floors might be cool, but comfortable. without it, they can get cold. |
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lambabbey
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| 04/18/2008 2:21 PM |
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Posted By PanelCrafters on 04/15/2008 6:54 PM
Nope, wrong! Runtal makes some decent looking radiators. Now, if you are looking for a radiator that looks like a piece of art, and want to pay for it, that's another story.
Most of us are looking for efficient heat, and a simple way to distribute.
The Runtal radiators I've seen (and I recently received their most recent radiator brochure in the mail) have all looked totally utilitarian. It's not about finding a radiator that looks like a work of art. I'm not after that either. But in a small house where I'm partly choosing a couple of these radiators because of the aesthetic they could add to a home, I'd really like them to be something whose presence adds more to the home than just heat. And with the number of options on the market that go beyond the generic-looking Runtal units, I just can't see settling for something that looks generic and uninspired in its design.
Again, it's NOT about going with an over the top art piece as in photo 1 below; it's about going with a couple of the clean, classic, well-made, traditional radiators in photo 2 (that are a huge upgrade from the old clanging floor models from years ago), and staying clear of the dull, uninspired, generic-looking stuff you see in photo 3. The Runtal stuff just looks cheap and like it's made out of tin.
Make sense?
John
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| 04/19/2008 2:13 PM |
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Posted By James K. on 04/19/2008 10:17 AM Until now, there has been no distributors for Euro-solar passive units.......Until Now!!!!! Contact:
[u][i][b]ECO-STRUCTURE 310-430-3590 [/b][/i][/u] in Manhattan Beach Ca. and ask to speak to [u][b][i]Tim Gibson[/i][/b][/u]. Owner. Tim can handle any questions you may have about the units, or even set up an order to have them shipped right here from the the US, and avoid those HUGE 3rd party shipping costs from the UK or Germany.
James K.
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Jamie, please delete this spam. James go away please. |
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James K.
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| 04/19/2008 9:31 PM |
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Posted By lambabbey on 04/10/2008 12:43 PM I've been considering up until now to simply heat the new house that I'm designing by relying on passive solar and by using radiant in-floor heat, both in poured slab as well as Warmboard. I think radiant floors are a great idea on many levels. As of late though, I've been considering going a different direction for part of the house, based mostly on the fact that the envelope for the place will be air tight, super-insulated and not require a heck of a lot of energy to heat. In particular, I'm considering scrapping the Warmboard altogether, just keeping the in-slab radiant heat in parts of the house, and heating the rest of the structure using a number of European-style radiators that I stumbled across that I think would add a great aesthetic to the house. The company that makes them is a UK-based company called Aestus ( www.aestus.co.uk). They don't have a US distributor, so I'd have to buy from them direct and hire a 3rd party to ship them to the States. In other words, this isn't an option that's particularly economical (nor is Warmboard, by the way.) I'm considering it though because I really like how many of these radiators look (you can download their catalog [b]here[/b].) What I wanted to hear from folks on here is what they see the downsides being to going this route. These aren't the clanging, hissing radiators that many of us grew up with; they're virtually silent from what I understand. What I don't know however is what I'd be giving up foregoing the Warmboard and going strictly with a number of these radiators instead. I've attached photos of a few models to give you an idea of what I'm considering.
Any thoughts?
John
Wow!!! that is very rude sir. I was just responding to the
thread. In the thread , John mentioned 3rd party shipping for the
European units was way too much. (READ ABOVE)
2ND PARAGRAPH........(above)
I was just passing on some helpful information. There is no reason to be hostile. Unless, you are upset at the prospect of someone not buying american Products (like your home page on your website states that we should do). Chevy's, Fords, and hand tools I understand. But being environmentally smart is BIGGER than your "buy American" slogo sir. We all need to pull together on these issues, leave your predjudice of foreign products at the door. Grow up. I really hope your not this rude to your foreign customers.
I do apologize to the MODS .... I am new here, and when I read the above post, I remembered I had written down some info from a blog about these Euro style solar units. I did not think it was spam, I am not employed by that company, I am an equipment Operator for road construction, natural gas pipelines, and so on...)
Rest assure (panel Crafters) I won't be writing your info down, nor will I go away.
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NRT.Rob
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| 04/20/2008 12:38 PM |
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James,
Cross posting advertisements in forums is classic spam behaviour. I don't know GBT's policy on it, but on most forums it would get you banned. |
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lambabbey
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| 04/20/2008 12:50 PM |
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James,
I appreciate your information, but given that you're trying to sell a service, you really should've sent me a note privately, rather than posting such a blatant advertisement in this and other threads. The way you handled it makes it appear that you weren't simply responding to me, but to anyone with the ability to read. It's good to know about your service, but you could've gone about it a little less like a used car salesman. It would've been received a little more positively.
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PanelCrafters
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| 04/20/2008 1:28 PM |
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Posted By James K. on 04/19/2008 9:31 PM
This post is addressed to Panelcrafters:
Wow!!! that is very rude sir. Good! Maybe you'll get the point.
There is no reason to be hostile. Unless, you are upset at the prospect of someone not buying american Products (like your home page on your website states that we should do). Chevy's, Fords, and hand tools I understand. But being environmentally smart is BIGGER than your "buy American" slogo sir. We all need to pull together on these issues, leave your predjudice of foreign products at the door. Grow up. I really hope your not this rude to your foreign customers.
Nothing hostile about it. You were spamming. And, if I prefer American Made so be it. And, well, if you don't like it, who cares? |
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