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04/14/2008 6:13 PM  

I am in the dreaming/scheming stages of my next construction project here in Maine.  I am very interested in SIPs and have a question for anyone who has gone that route.

Have you seen or heard of any applications that bypassed the interior drywall application all together?  I have a long standing bias against the stuff (waste, easily damaged, hard to find good installers/tapers/mudders, etc) and thought some type of spray finish inside could keep countless tons of it out of my next house.

Am I nuts for thinking along these lines? 

thanks in advance,
sabine

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04/14/2008 6:48 PM  

P1800girl;

Even if you just texture the inside of the exterior walls, your interior partitions will still need the studs covered.
Drywall is still the most cost effective product. I would recommend sub-contracting the hanging and finishing out to one company to be responsible for the entire job and DO NOT pay in full until you are satisfied.


Chris Kavala
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04/15/2008 6:56 AM  
I've been looking for a replacement for drywall for 20 years, now. If a competetively priced alternative exists, I can't find it. If anyone has any ideas, please speak up.

Wes Shelby
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04/15/2008 11:17 AM  

Thanks for the comments.  So, I surmise it is feasible for the interior facing SIPs, but the interior partitions pose a challenge. 

But, doesn't the function of the interior partition (from my non-architectual, non-builder point of view) change, given the SIPs exoskelton, from carrying any load to providing the following functions:

- privacy (sight)

- privacy (sound)

- hiding mechanicals (electric, plumbing)

So, I was thinking maybe conventional 2x4 interior partitions may be over engineered, not to mention relatively inflexible in terms of changing use/configuration of interior space over time. 

Could they be mini sandwiches, like SIPs, but not structural, with a thin skinned (Lauan-like equivalent) sheathing and a sound absorbing foam inside?   Or does covering up the foam with an inflexible material render it ineffective for absorbing sound?  Maybe a cloth wrapping, like office cubicle partitions? 

I certainly don't have all the answers, but I enjoy trying to dream up some possible solutions outside the mainstream accepted practice.  Glad to hear some of you are too.

thanks,
sabine

 

 

 

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04/15/2008 12:30 PM  
we always have to be mindful that we dont build a white elephant.
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04/15/2008 2:01 PM  
Sabine,

Imagine wall partitions that are pre-wired and pre-plumbed. Imagine having a sound deadening composite in the partitions and the partitions covered in a paper like product that is vacuumed on and can be moved and connected by hardware pre-installed with quick disconnect fittings for the electrical, data and plumbing.

The problem is cost. The problem is customer accpetability. The product can be made. With a duraRock product you can do this same thing with SIPS. Again, you still have to finish and paint. Maybe a fabric over some sort of padding. The rooms would have to be on 2 or 4 foot intervals so you would miinimize waste of the substrates. Maybe a wainscotting on plywood substrate to do an office in a mahogany like product. Man, I may use all of these ideas in my version of "The Best Home Built."

Thanks for the brain exercise.

Greg Freyermuth
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04/15/2008 4:44 PM  
Sabine,

There are articles and sites that discuss designs intended to allow the owner to reconfigure some interior walls as needs change.  One issue that came up was how the utilities are installed.  The argument went something like:  In traditional construction, there was way for the builder to capture the value in allowing the flexibility, and utilities were installed sequentially by individual trades.  The result is that they're all buried in the walls and conflicting. 

Look into raceways for the utilities with specified routing. 

Good luck.
Larry
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04/17/2008 11:40 AM  
snoop around your local union hall,when times are slow you can get drywallers pretty cheep and you know they went through the apprentance program, they also work quick so they dont lose their place on the books(order in witch they are recalled when union work comes up) Also a tip, insulate the heck out of the bathroom walls, you would be supprised how loud they are at night, and determine how high you want the towl bars,tp hangers. pictures ect. because all that cut off lumber goes in the fire pit. this makes future hanging a lot easer then tryng to find a stud and it an easy do it yourself.
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