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03/31/2008 8:27 AM  

In another forum where I occasionally visit, there was a thread about a woman who was building an 8500sqft "green" home - just for her.  No additional family.

And while most folks obviously felt that an 8500 sqft home was an extravagance that could never be considered to be "green" (other than paint color perhaps), on the other hand, I would be very curious to see how the energy performance numbers of this house (or a comparable - perhaps hypothetical house) could compare to a "typical" 2500sqft house in the same area before making a judgement.

Obviously, "being green" isn't about building 8500 sqft homes for one person, but it would make a very interesting argument if the larger house was actually more efficient than the much smaller house. Again, also taking into consideration the materials and labor used to construct the larger house...

So, imagine if someone were to construct an 8500 sqft house that incorporated super insulation, geo-thermal, high performance windows, winter solar gain on the south side, solar panels for electricity and hot water, and many of the other bells-and-whistles that would make a house as energy efficient as current technology allows.

Now imagine if that house were also built as much as possible of locally produced materials - possibly even to include recycled lumber - etc. And what if that house ended up as a zero or even net energy producer rather than energy user; would that house be considered to be "green" despite the size?

I would think that while there is no definitive answer (only opinions), it would be very interesting to hear (well, read) what other folks think of this particular situation...thoughts?

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03/31/2008 4:18 PM  
This particular case has to be looked at from a house stand point. This person is obviously going to build this house regardless, fortunately they are at least being somewhat responsible and making it as "green" as possible. I think there are "green" people and then there are other people that aren't "green", but are are willing to some changes and sacrifices for the greater good. Myself I fall into the latter of the two, if I could ride my bike to work everyday I would, unfortunately in my line of work it ain't happening. Can I get a motorcycle though and get by with that in the summers from time to time, sure...and I might, but gotta build a house first. One thing I can do is telecommute from time to time and that is really great so that one or two days I don't have to go in to the office or if the job is out of town and I can program remotely without ever driving anywhere, even better.

Where is this house located? I just moved from Southern California and it is possible that depending on where this person is building that they are still building a modest home for the area they live in. Also will they be living there indefinitely? Five years from now a family that NEVER would have even tried to build a "greener" home with 5 kids might move into it.

I guess what I'm saying is "green" is relative in my opinion. But don't take my word for it, I'm somewhat new at this.

Mark
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04/12/2008 7:17 PM  

Oberon/mdelzer,

Good topic. We are building a new home at 5000 sq-ft +, and have thought many times how green can this be?? But a few points of defence of a bigger size home and the folks living in it can be green. The space we are building is on a lake and we expect many guests and our children to visit, extra rooms. Winter will be the slow season and I don't plan on heating all this all the time. Radant heating with many zones should make this easy to just heat used area. May take a few day notice to heat up the dormat space....The construction is ICF with additional insulation on the exterior. We also hope to have Geothermal heat/cool. We both work out of the home so days go by where we never leave the home. Within our home also have our offices, we need that seperate space for "work", (justify some of that extra space). Our roof will be a flat concrete deck and the stairs go to the top. Max use and a good view.

A trailer is small space but is very un-green.

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04/18/2008 7:00 PM  

Oberon;

we all have different needs , maybe the woman with the 8500 sq. ft. house is down-sizing


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06/10/2008 10:16 AM  
May I jump in the middle here. I'm continuing to seach for an installer/subcontractor to build a ICF home just west of Oxford, MS. 2072 sq ft wall out basement and 2072 sq ft main floor with 2 car attached garage. Having trouble getting anyone to return my phone calls or emails. I have no problem in getting contractors who build traditional "stick" build but not with ICF's. If I can find someone to do the ICF's I can get the other part built. I plan to do some of the work myself. I would like to have 2-3 biders in order to compare them and get the best price and best job.

Thanks

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06/10/2008 7:54 PM  
buyer......you might want to post on the ICF forum.
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06/11/2008 2:57 PM  
This apparent conflict comes up in LEED certified building projects also. Sometimes it is useful look at the larger impact of more materials required to construct, more energy to make those additional materials, large houses are usually on larger lots, large houses encourage the purchase of lots of stuff to fill them up, and all the associated energy and fuel required to create them and deliver them. Even the most rigorously tightened and insulated house will have these ancillary impacts.
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06/12/2008 10:37 AM  
I will take the more militant viewpoint here :-) I don't care what wonderful building tech a single person building an 8500 sf house uses, how much money they spend, what kind of LEED cert they get, how much bamboo flooring or soy based insulation, PV arrays, etc. - that house is not 'green'. To truly be environmentally responsible is to really make a decision as to what you need to live, and to live within that size.
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06/12/2008 11:09 AM  
richntiff;

I agree, I am probably more conservative myself than most builders. I don't see the need to build a monument

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