cmkavala
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| 08/01/2008 6:13 AM |
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From a current job we are installing ..... How easy does this look to get next panel in? Impossible!
So much for OSB quality |
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ReadyToRetire
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| 08/01/2008 9:04 AM |
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Chris,
By any chance, did your clients explain why they went with OSB?
As you're installing, do you have an esatimate of the % cost difference between OSB and steel for the shell?
Very respectfully,
Larry
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Louie FischerSIPs
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| 08/01/2008 9:37 AM |
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| Obviously the panel was routed incorrectly to accept the OSB Splines. To all the non-spiteful people who want to build a strong, energy efficient, comfortable, and "affordable," home made with OSB, you can use a few other spline connections. One is known as a thermal spline which is basically a 3" piece of sip sized to the thickness of the foam core. Also, many use lumber as the spline. This is a little less energy effcient but cost effective if the lumber is fairly straight. OSB splines have been used in thousands of applications successfully. If you are going to use an example, please don't take a picture of someone who obviously free handed a hot foam scoop to recess that spline. This is not indicative of most OSB SIP applications. It is certain the gentlemen who post these OSB bashings are threatened by the cost effectiveness of an OSB SIP. You must ask yourself one question, with all the intelligent individuals in the SIP industry, why don't more people manufacture steel sips. A great majority of the country does not live below sea level or in a flood zone gentlemen please give everybody a break and represent your product from more positive viewpoint. |
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| 08/01/2008 12:13 PM |
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Posted By Louie FischerSIPs on 08/01/2008 9:37 AM
Obviously the panel was routed incorrectly to accept the OSB Splines. To all the non-spiteful people who want to build a strong, energy efficient, comfortable, and "affordable," home made with OSB, you can use a few other spline connections. One is known as a thermal spline which is basically a 3" piece of sip sized to the thickness of the foam core. Also, many use lumber as the spline. This is a little less energy effcient but cost effective if the lumber is fairly straight. OSB splines have been used in thousands of applications successfully. If you are going to use an example, please don't take a picture of someone who obviously free handed a hot foam scoop to recess that spline. This is not indicative of most OSB SIP applications. It is certain the gentlemen who post these OSB bashings are threatened by the cost effectiveness of an OSB SIP. You must ask yourself one question, with all the intelligent individuals in the SIP industry, why don't more people manufacture steel sips. A great majority of the country does not live below sea level or in a flood zone gentlemen please give everybody a break and represent your product from more positive viewpoint.
Amen!!! |
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sipfan
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| 08/01/2008 3:01 PM |
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| Here is another type of SIP spline - using a connecting post: |
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Roberta Bartel
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Enercept Custom SIPS - Building today for a greener tomorrow. |
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cmkavala
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| 08/01/2008 5:21 PM |
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Posted By ReadyToRetire on 08/01/2008 9:04 AM
Chris,
By any chance, did your clients explain why they went with OSB?
As you're installing, do you have an esatimate of the % cost difference between OSB and steel for the shell?
Very respectfully,
Larry
Larry;
The customers actually expected exterior walls to be fiber cement with OSB roof.
but when it was shipped they got the short eave walls as fiber ement and taller gable walls as OSB
I would never install a system like this again, my foreman will quit on me, hindsight is 20-20 for the owners as well, this has been a big disappointment for all.
This is not typical of all OSB manufacturers, I have intalled others without this problem.
But in general we would get at least 50% more for an OSB install
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cmkavala
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| 08/01/2008 5:38 PM |
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Posted By Louie FischerSIPs on 08/01/2008 9:37 AM
Obviously the panel was routed incorrectly to accept the OSB Splines. To all the non-spiteful people who want to build a strong, energy efficient, comfortable, and "affordable," home made with OSB, you can use a few other spline connections. One is known as a thermal spline which is basically a 3" piece of sip sized to the thickness of the foam core. Also, many use lumber as the spline. This is a little less energy effcient but cost effective if the lumber is fairly straight. OSB splines have been used in thousands of applications successfully. If you are going to use an example, please don't take a picture of someone who obviously free handed a hot foam scoop to recess that spline. This is not indicative of most OSB SIP applications. It is certain the gentlemen who post these OSB bashings are threatened by the cost effectiveness of an OSB SIP. You must ask yourself one question, with all the intelligent individuals in the SIP industry, why don't more people manufacture steel sips. A great majority of the country does not live below sea level or in a flood zone gentlemen please give everybody a break and represent your product from more positive viewpoint. Louie;
"You doth protest too much" I don't arbitrarily lump all OSB splines as being problematic. And is not indicative of most OSB mfg.s
But the manufacturer had the audacity to say this was typical and we should be expected to hotwire the grooves on site.
And please be advised that was not a free handed scoop nor was it an isolated case, ALL walls were like that and they were done that way in the factory, with bad tooling.
I just came back from the SEBC show in Orlando were this same MFG. had their product on display with the same crappy spline groove!
If a company has hundreds of thousands invested in OSB equipment , they are just plain committed!
I can post many more uglies from that same job, if you like?
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cmkavala
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| 08/01/2008 5:41 PM |
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Posted By sipfan on 08/01/2008 3:01 PM
Here is another type of SIP spline - using a connecting post: I prefer the old 2x spline if I had to do one, finding staight wood is a problem though
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Brawler
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| 08/01/2008 6:00 PM |
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| Just curious, what company produced that SIP? Was that hot knifed in the field or @ the factory? Thanks. |
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cmkavala
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| 08/01/2008 6:06 PM |
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Posted By Brawler on 08/01/2008 6:00 PM
Just curious, what company produced that SIP? Was that hot knifed in the field or @ the factory? Thanks. I don't want to disclose the company, I couldn't tell if it was a hot wire or a bad foam router burning thru, but in any event was done at factory
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AUSTENNN
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| 08/03/2008 11:14 PM |
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| If you could cut out the endless shilling for steel, his remaining posts are usually informative. |
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cmkavala
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| 08/04/2008 5:33 AM |
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Posted By AUSTENNN on 08/03/2008 11:14 PM
If you could cut out the endless shilling for steel, his remaining posts are usually informative. Sorry, if I was a dentist I would be talking about the benefits of flossing too.
It's good to be passionate about your work..whatever it is
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| 08/04/2008 8:24 AM |
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| You gotta understand... like Rush L. is equal time in the media industry Chris is equal time in the SIP industry |
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| 08/04/2008 9:12 AM |
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| I was also at the SEBC show. It seems like Hardie wall and OSB (but not called OSB) roof panels could only be Homefront from what I saw. Please let me know if I am incorrect. What was the reason given for the gable ends being OSB? Was it an issue of panel strength or Hardie panel size? |
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cmkavala
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| 08/04/2008 5:19 PM |
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Posted By chuck07 on 08/04/2008 9:12 AM
I was also at the SEBC show. It seems like Hardie wall and OSB (but not called OSB) roof panels could only be Homefront from what I saw. Please let me know if I am incorrect. What was the reason given for the gable ends being OSB? Was it an issue of panel strength or Hardie panel size? chuck07;
Homefront uses a 5/8" Advantech OSB board for long gables as the hardie panels are only available in 12ft. heights and need spliced
I don't know why they don't use one or the other? They also at one time used aluminum roof panels but got away from that as well, seems as thre system is a work in progress
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