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olegy
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| 07/04/2008 11:17 PM |
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We need an experienced ICF builder (with a current CA license) to build one of the following in San Diego, California.
1. ICF walls ( more then 5000 sq. t. of wall)- will be using Fox Blocks.
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2. ICF shell - foundation, ICF walls, roof framing and second floor support framing.
Expected ground breaking date is around September 1st +/- 15 days.
We'll provide a complete set of plans for bidding upon verification of ICF based experience.
More important - if your rate is more then $15/sq.ft of installed wall (including windows openings handling)
then, please, don't apply.
Please, PM me, if interested.
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Chris Johnson
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| 07/05/2008 6:46 PM |
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Contact Steve Levis
858-967-4028
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Chris Johnson - Pro ICF
Napa, CA
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Paul Stevens
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| 07/05/2008 7:50 PM |
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Olegy, weren't you the guy, who a couple of months ago were blasting all of the ICF installers for charging far too much for installs. Why aren't you using the be all and end all of ICF's, Standard ICF. you were going on about their web site www.standardicf.net/estimating, and saying what is wrong with this, I tried to explain the costs involved but you didn't listen, you seemed to know it all. Here is your quote, "... and of course, all the ICF installers here push for $13/sq.ft with no explanation and any reason.... the only place they can charge more is labour and $4/sq.ft in labour is roughly $120/hr. way to high and it still gives about $11/sq.ft . What an appetite for unjustified profits."
That was you right? Why the change? Did you finally do some research and find out what it really costs to install? Please tell me why you didn't call the Standard ICF guys who seemed to have all of the answers? Or where you just shooting of your mouth without knowing what you where talking about?
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olegy
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| 07/05/2008 8:11 PM |
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I really don't care about you opinion, and please, express it, when you asked. Otherwise, keep you mouth shut.
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Paul Stevens
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| 07/05/2008 9:38 PM |
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No, you where the one with all of the opinions, I was just stating facts, trying to explain to you how things really worked. I have years of experience in the ICF field, I was just trying to help. Do tell us, what changed your mind. And you should care about my opinion, its experienced and unlike you, when it comes to ICf I do know what I'm talking about. My opinion counts, you just don't like it because I am calling you out, maybe everyone will search back and see what you really think of us ICf installers, good luck trying to find someone in Cali. to do your job for $15/sq. You still didn't tell us, what happened when you called the Standard ICf guys to come and install your job for $7/sq.?? Story seems to have changed real quick.
It's funny, some of us are not afraid to reveal who we are, using our real names, while others hide behind some kind of handle, maybe so when people come and meet you they don't know your true identity, real cowardly!!
Say what you want about me, but when push comes to shove I can put MY ICF skills where my mouth is, I will go up against anyone in the biz.
You sound like a typical homeowner who thinks they have all the answers just because they took the 'course' .
Paul Stevens
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san diego sips
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| 07/05/2008 10:37 PM |
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He also wasted alot of my time to. Anybody thinking about getting involved, be advised you probably shouldn't.
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Bov Gieser
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| 07/05/2008 10:38 PM |
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Sorry to hear of your loss in the big San Diego Area Fire. We used to live in Encinitas.
Having built with several brands of forms, we know that it is very important to find an installer who is familiar/experienced/certified to install your form. Did Fox Block just sell the form without offering to assist in the installation process, the most important part??
I don't want to get in the middle of the previous posts, but I deal with customers all day long, and of course price is important. Value added service from the regional sales rep is also very important. Helping find the right installer, knowing the local concrete plants for the right mix, admixtures that can help at the right season, finding the right pumper with experience, providing bracing to the installer if he does not own his own are all very important issues.
Regardless on how you settled on Fox Block, we hope you have a good job. Initial price per square foot of just one material is one thing, the final outcome will always linger on especifically if it was not done correctly.
Bob Gieser
ICF Distributor
South Central Kentucky
606-348-4101
icfbob@consultant.com
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olegy
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| 07/06/2008 4:01 AM |
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Posted By san diego sips on 07/05/2008 10:37 PM
He also wasted alot of my time to. Anybody thinking about getting involved, be advised you probably shouldn't.
Gabe Coughran
San Diego Sip's Inc
[/quote] Who are you? I don't know you.
We never discussed any numbers, but
After been asked to provide his full name, contractor license number, and a list of references,
that guy just disappeared and I started to "waste" his time.
Consider it a reference of his involvement.
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olegy
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| 07/06/2008 4:14 AM |
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The thing is very simple. Want a job - bid it - get it - complete - get paid.
It is so simple. No strings attached.
By setting the upper limit of the bidding I just wanted to filter out these "pros", who only want to rob a customer.
If you want a job, you don't have to respond to this thread - just PM ( send a private message) to me. |
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olegy
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| 07/06/2008 4:29 AM |
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Posted By Bov Gieser on 07/05/2008 10:38 PM Sorry to hear of your loss in the big San Diego Area Fire. We used to live in Encinitas. Having built with several brands of forms, we know that it is very important to find an installer who is familiar/experienced/certified to install your form. Did Fox Block just sell the form without offering to assist in the installation process, the most important part?? I don't want to get in the middle of the previous posts, but I deal with customers all day long, and of course price is important. Value added service from the regional sales rep is also very important. Helping find the right installer, knowing the local concrete plants for the right mix, admixtures that can help at the right season, finding the right pumper with experience, providing bracing to the installer if he does not own his own are all very important issues. Regardless on how you settled on Fox Block, we hope you have a good job. Initial price per square foot of just one material is one thing, the final outcome will always linger on especifically if it was not done correctly. Bob Gieser ICF Distributor South Central Kentucky 606-348-4101 icfbob@consultant.com
There is not much choice for San Diego.
Only three blocks are permitted (the only ones with a current ICC reports )
Fox Blocks, Eco Blocks and Build Blocks. They are all quite similar - however I did not research much on Eco and Build blocks yet.
Initially wanted to build with Rastra / PerformWall product, but just wasted a month trying to get an approval from the City - no go.
I'll see what my bidders will suggest.
Thanks for you help.
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san diego sips
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| 07/06/2008 1:46 PM |
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Hey Olegy
The form that I wanted to use, which you told me was too expensive, has a current ICC report as well. But you said we never talked money. I dissappered after many conversations and giving you my contacts for architects and engineers, which were also too expensive. You posted on this site stating your desire to use out of town labor because it would be cheaper. Another post saying that you didn't want to use osb sip's for your roof either, why would I want to be involved. You want to build a high quality home for bottom dollar, and I thought your home would be nothing but a problem, sounds like I was right. I didn't want to bad mouth you, I just wanted other contractors to know that Paul Stevens wasn't the only one with a problem.
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