stlouisz
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| 07/10/2008 2:28 AM |
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My house plan has several corners, and one consists of a bumpout of the wall by 14 inches. After looking at some forms, I don't understand how this can be done.
For example, Reward told me they have a 90 degree 6 inch core form with a 15 inch short limb. Stacking these forms would yield a bump out of 19 inches. I doubt you could trim much of anything off of these pieces.
Is their an easy solution to this problem, short of redesigning the size of the bump out? Thanks
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MDiver
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| 07/10/2008 3:00 AM |
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| If I understand what you are trying to acccomplish, I think that Quadlock would work if you are willing to switch forms. |
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smartwall
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| 07/10/2008 8:01 AM |
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| use 4 inch kd block |
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stlouisz
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| 07/10/2008 9:44 AM |
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Hmm.. I have never heard of this kd block. I googled it but did not get any hits?
I briefly looked at the quadlock. It seems very versatile, true, but I suspect much more labor intensive.
I'd like to use a block that the installer is familiar with. In St. Louis, MO, there is not a whole lot of experience with ICF. I'm not sure if anyone has used quadlock before. Will have to research this.
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icfcontractor
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| 07/10/2008 11:39 AM |
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Stlouisz,
You can cut, trim, mangle, and flex most blocks on the market. It sounds to me like you need to talk to an ICF professional in your area to assit you with your design. Trust me this should be money well spent to get their advice of do's and don't for the specific form you choose. Trust me when I say that concrete is the easiest, most moldable, readily available building medium out there. If you can imagine it you can probably build it out of concrete. Heck in my area we build concrete basements on house boats. It is pretty cool when you see it.
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Paul Stevens
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| 07/10/2008 6:43 PM |
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Once again I will have to agree with icfcontractor,(not that thats a bad thing) it can be done with some plywood and screws to hold it all together. Where are you located?? Someone could be close by to give you a hand.
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Aaron McKinney
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| 07/10/2008 6:49 PM |
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Agreeing with icf contractor, you can cut, trim and mangle your forms to get your desired measurement. I would build may wall up first, brace it, plumb and line, and then cleet it up. With enough support by 2x4's or other material you can do almost anything, you just need to be a little innovative. With 14" you might have difficulty getting your brace to work (I don't know which reward block you are using, if it is reward), but make sure that your bracing and cleeting do not get in the way of each other. Also, I would put my cleets on after the wall was plumb and line. If you screw your blocks together starting at the bottom you could have your corners out of plumb by the time you got to the top, making it more difficult for your braces to push and pull (because the blocks are screwed together by the cleeting) But, say for instance you discovered an easier way to make it work but you had to cleet on your way up, thats ok as long as you can unscrew your cleets to plumb the wall if needed.
But, after having said all that it probably would be easier to have the architect do a quick change as long as it works with the rest of the house. I have found that I can make 2' returns work well in regards to stacking. |
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ECO-HAMMER
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| 07/12/2008 12:37 AM |
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Here is an 18" bumpout, we had a 3" overlap between courses, cleated the whole way up with plywood.
We poured this wall when it was 14 feet tall. |
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walltech
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| 07/19/2008 11:10 AM |
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This is simply acommplished with some forms but not as easy with others. Plywood cleats on every other course inside and out will simply fix the problem with most forms.
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icfcontractor
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| 07/19/2008 11:57 AM |
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Dave,
You are right, but we like to brace short corners from opposing sides at times and we subscribe to the sheet of ply method also. This allows us to to put up bracing with out having to think about cleat placement. Although we have put up plenty of corners with your described method.
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