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Rick Hansen
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| 11/21/2001 12:09 PM |
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I have seen the article on Paul Huddy and the Arizona Solar Institute which makes the following claim: Spend an additinal $40 thousand dollars on top of &$160 thousand and the homeowner saves $800 thousand over thirty years.
I have tried unsuccessfullly to find a coomplete research report, telephone number, or an adress for this institute. Can anyone help with information that will provide verification of this claim.
Second question/comment: As I recall, the article's reccommendations which would achieve this savings could be met simply by using ICFs. Seems like ICF construction costs are less than the $40 thousand additional mentioned by Mr Huddy. Another reason to get our hands on this study?
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James Eggert
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| 11/21/2001 6:06 PM |
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Whoopee!!! Another crock of s..... about the massive energy savings available using better construction practices.
Let's see, if someone spends $5000 a year for 30 years thats only $150k. I'm not aware of anyone now spending more than maybe $2000 a year which would equate to about $$60K. Adding in some inflation factor, say it triples in a 30 year span and its still only $180k.
When savings "gurus" use all the techniques available to add up inflation figures, interest savings, energy capacities, etc., etc., etc. they come up with some wild numbers. We try to save people expenses; maybe as much as 50%; But you don't see such drivel as you are reading somewhere on this site.
Why Bother even pretending the numbers would ever make sense to the common man.
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Jim
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markross
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| 11/21/2001 11:17 PM |
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Lets see, 25 years for a wood frame house and 25 years for an ICF house. First the energy savings...how about northern builds with energy savings in excess of $2,000 per year. Now lets discuss durability and repair of structure....after 25 years, would we not be required to repair termite or rot ridden areas. Now lets discuss rising energy costs.... I wonder how much space heating/Cooling will cost per BTU in 25 years. Oh, and one more point, what is a 25 year old wood frames house resale for compared to a 25 year old ICF house. There is a lot more to consider here, lets use a little common sense and think about what the true picture of what we are promoting is. $800,000.00???? good question, but I wonder if there is a reality behind this. unless the house was rather big, say 1,000,000 square feet then who knows.
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Ian ICF Builders
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| 11/22/2001 3:53 PM |
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I read an article that references the study....(We have a copy of the synopsis that appeared in Builder magazine on our website) The study breaks the savings down pretty well. Paul Huddy isn't the only one that comes up with such high numbers...try looking up details of such studies by other energy types...Most all of the real researchers have penned such numbers based on facts, not just extrapolation. Try going to the sites for these people: energy user news, ecotope and cutter to start with. If you are real ambitious, go to DOE and read some of the research that has been presented to the gov't. with hopes that they would get behind it to conserve energy etc. (to no avail since conservation doesn't have the strong lobby that others have) Try the Florida solar institute also.
Second comment...The article (or research) doesn't even mention ICF, so it is highly unlikely that the savings could be attained by "simply" using ICF. |
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