Gregw
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| 01 Sep 2008 09:43 AM |
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I would like to have built-in roll-down shutters in my new ICF home, anyone have any experience with this? I would like to be able to conceal the mechanism and track within the thickness of the ICF wall.
Thanks, Greg |
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Alton
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| 01 Sep 2008 10:30 AM |
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Gregw,
The external motorized roll up shutters that I have seen are usually mounted above the window or hidden in the soffit. Shutters can be insulated and/or reinforced for storm protection. I remember the shutters being expensive. Be aware that over the years the shutters and motor may require some maintenance. Plan for future access to service the shutter or motor.
Maybe someone else can speak to the way to hide the mechanism and track in the ICF wall. |
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Chris Johnson
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| 01 Sep 2008 01:09 PM |
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I did a project a few years back where they wanted the electric roll up shades on the inside of the house. I ended up making the top of the rough opening 7 1/2" taller once complete the builder/framer built it back down like a curtain with 2x material and plywood thus leaving a void on the inside to hide the shade after the wall finishes were complete. I did go back and see it afterwards and it looked good.
The biggest secret I saw was the drywaller had to be very particular in his finish work to make it look good. I would say in your case the stucco contractor would have to be particular on his finish technique to make this look really good. |
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| Chris Johnson - Pro ICF<br>North of 49 |
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Bruce Frey
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| 01 Sep 2008 02:19 PM |
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In Europe, the shutters are all on the outside of the glass for weather and security and the mechanism and roller are accessed from the inside. The slats telescope slightly and have some penetrations that are exposed as you start to raise the shutter to permit a bit of light and air movement with the shutter down. The window choices in Europe are typically in-swinging or tilt/turn....I have yet to see any double hung or out swinging casement windows.
Depending on your wall thickness and the size of the roller assembly, the roller box and its access door may intrude into the room. The roller box is also hard to seal and insulate. Depending on how high the head of the windows are plus the height of the roller box may make lintels a bit difficult. In Europe, they just put the roller box close to the underside of the concrete slab above.
I did not find many USA vendors in the quick search I did a few months ago....mostly in hurricane country. My wife and I like them, too. Good luck!
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Farmboy
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| 02 Sep 2008 12:03 AM |
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I lived with rolladens in Spain and Germany and found them very functional; reduced noise, blocked light 100%, felt a bit more secure. They covered the exterior of the windows and rolled up into a box recessed in the wall above the window. They were manually operated from the interior by tugging on a nylon strap that released a locking mechanism inside the box. Found a company in Las Vegas that makes and installs. Looks like they mount the boxes on the exterior, but make some energy savings and security claims. http://www.rolladenlv.com/index.phpCompany in KS, with some interesting photos of applications. http://www.rollupshutter.com/products/index.aspWe're in Kansas and just had a barn window knocked out by hail, so we're looking at protective shutters for our home to start construction soon. Dave |
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Gregw
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| 02 Sep 2008 09:26 AM |
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Posted By Farmboy on 09/02/2008 12:03 AM I lived with rolladens in Spain and Germany and found them very functional; reduced noise, blocked light 100%, felt a bit more secure. They covered the exterior of the windows and rolled up into a box recessed in the wall above the window. They were manually operated from the interior by tugging on a nylon strap that released a locking mechanism inside the box. Found a company in Las Vegas that makes and installs. Looks like they mount the boxes on the exterior, but make some energy savings and security claims. http://www.rolladenlv.com/index.phpCompany in KS, with some interesting photos of applications. http://www.rollupshutter.com/products/index.aspWe're in Kansas and just had a barn window knocked out by hail, so we're looking at protective shutters for our home to start construction soon. Dave Thanks Farmboy, This is the kind of thing I was looking for, (link from the Kansas company). http://www.rollupshutter.com/technical/index.aspThe detail at the bottom of this page shows the mechinism installed within the thickness of the wall. The drawing is not to scale, but it looks like just a 2x4 or 2x6 wall which means that I should be able to leave plenty of room for insulation between the back of the mechanism and the exterior. I'm going to get some cadd drawings from them to play with. Is the Kansas company selling the Rolladen product or is that something else? |
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Farmboy
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| 02 Sep 2008 04:11 PM |
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Notice that they refer to rolling shutters, but they are the same thing as rolladens. Rolladen is a generic reference to this style of shutter and in German means rolling (rol) window (laden). There is actually a company in Florida www.rolladen.com that has a copyright on the name Rolladen and sells "rolladens", tough windows and storm shutters. |
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Farmboy
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| 02 Sep 2008 04:11 PM |
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Need to correct the term "laden" is like a cabinet or enclosure, not window. Sorry about that. |
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FlaICF
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| 05 Sep 2008 09:56 AM |
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Suggest using impact resistant windows and doors. No need for extra expense of mechanical roll downs or the prep on the walls to make them install easier. |
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saigafan
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| 06 Sep 2008 01:55 AM |
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saw them advertise in florida, its security - sun screen - hurrican protector in one.
url for one is: http://www.stormshield.net
ANY metal smith can make one.
I am thinking of getting them for my next home. |
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Jelly
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| 09 Sep 2008 11:34 PM |
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I don't know if they sell in North America, but this German site has some really good Rolladen illustrations and they have a link for English language content:
http://www.roma.de/ |
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Manfred
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| 29 Dec 2008 01:48 PM |
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I grew up in Switzerland and Germany and lived with these "Rolladen" type windows. They are secure, energy-efficient, security enabling, air exchanging (even in the rain - if you just have them half down in tilt/turn windows the rain gets expelled completely while fresh air still gets into the room).
Check out www.europeanwindows.com |
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| Manfred Knobel<br>Moss Pointe Builders, Inc. |
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Donnerwetter
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| 29 Dec 2008 03:15 PM |
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Greg - Prior to entering the ICF market in 1991, I have fabricated and installed a few Rolladens (Exterior Rolling Shutters). Installing ERS in an ICF is very simple (did the first one in 1992). Check out www.rollac.com (Walter and Evi Konrad are the owners and manufacture them in Houston, Texas). They are very knowlegable - have been dealing with them over many years and they come with my highest recomendation. Call or E-mail me if you have any further questions! Heinz Horn Isomax of Mo. 314-660-9661 [email protected] |
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