John7
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| 09 Jun 2011 10:38 PM |
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Has anyone use this heavy under the subfloor plate?
There spec sheet graphs show it as best of the under the subfloor plates, slightly better than Joist Trak.
Its sized to work with their pipe, how's the quality on their pipe?
Thanks
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acwizard
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| 10 Jun 2011 01:36 AM |
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Rehau makes excellent products. Comparable to Uponor. |
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NRT.Rob
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| 10 Jun 2011 09:30 AM |
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I hate their pipe, it was very noisy for years. but I understand they *may* have addressed that recently, I haven't see myself. PEX is PEX though.
the Rauplate looks cool. I don't know how they figure it beats joist trak, maybe slightly, but I think the coverage area is about the same and rauplate is thinner, and has the tubing at the edges instead of the middle. I could see that not mattering much, but I can't see it improving things... I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's equal to extrudeds though.
I haven't met anyone who has used it yet though. I am wondering if install would be harder, if the groove is tight and you can't hammer the pipe in directly like you can with extruded plates typically. I'd love to learn more though from someone who's actually used them. |
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John7
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| 12 Jun 2011 02:37 AM |
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Can anyone give me some pricing on this stuff?
I am trying to figure out the rough costs on the various floor panel systems so I can make some intelligent choices.
As it stands I can only find the following:
(All sq. ft. prices based on 8" centers and ignoring edge/return pieces)
Joist Trak $2.42/sq. ft. ($6.45 per 4' panel - current)
Raupanel $2.30/sq. ft. ($9.18 per 6' panel - old)
Rauplate ?
I realize the Raupanel is a top mounted system with lower water temps and likely better suited to ASHP etc. In terms of ease of installation, pressing PEX in from above seems a no-brainer, however, I suspect keeping construction debris out of the open channels is a concern (certainly wouldn't want any random brads falling in there).
Thanks in advance for any current pricing information.
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Blueridgecompany.com
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| 12 Jun 2011 12:14 PM |
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We sell RHT Floor panel system.
It is a top mount system and work well with low water temps.
Uses 1/2 inch pex for longer runs less returns to the manifold.
We provide lay out, turns, pipe, plates and stainless steel manifold.
You provide 3/4 in fill plywood panels.
The combined average cost including your plywood is about $2.50 square foot.
These type of systems work well, are very energy efficient if you are using a condensing boiler with low delivered water temps.
Good luck,
Dan
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BadgerBoilerMN
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| 12 Jun 2011 04:11 PM |
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Unless you intend to install the radiant floor heating system yourself, the cost of materials in irrevalent.
The proper way to specify a functional radiant floor heating system is not by cost but rather by affect. If you have determined your heat source the field of alternatives usually, and correctly, narrows. Once you know which radiant panel will perform properly, only an installing contractor can give you a price, as the installed cost will vary considerably by the skill and labor required.
Dan's price, though it may be accurate, tends to give the homeowner a skewed sense of value as it will not install itself and often represented as little as a 1/3 of the actual cost of a proper installed system. |
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Blueridgecompany.com
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| 12 Jun 2011 05:59 PM |
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Morgan is correct,
We see labor on the floor panel system placed with all the parts and pieces (pipe, plywood, heat plates, turns) running about $2.50 square foot.
It is however owner friendly to put in if you have a mind for that stuff. Thus saving some money.
Not to say the systems (any) will jump out of the box. You will need to work it, and if like me probably a couple cold beers at the end of the day as they will be well earned.
That said there is something to making your own way through the problem/solution conundrum.
Dan
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John7
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| 13 Jun 2011 02:47 AM |
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Posted By BadgerBoilerMN on 12 Jun 2011 04:11 PM
Unless you intend to install the radiant floor heating system yourself, the cost of materials in irrevalent.
The proper way to specify a functional radiant floor heating system is not by cost but rather by affect. If you have determined your heat source the field of alternatives usually, and correctly, narrows. Once you know which radiant panel will perform properly, only an installing contractor can give you a price, as the installed cost will vary considerably by the skill and labor required.
Dan's price, though it may be accurate, tends to give the homeowner a skewed sense of value as it will not install itself and often represented as little as a 1/3 of the actual cost of a proper installed system. Badger I am intending to install the radiant floor heating system myself. Heat loss has been carefully determined on a room-by-room basis by a certified designer. We are now down to selecting the type of radiant panel. I am avoiding concrete topings so that leaves any number of aluminum plates either top mount or underside the subflooring. (Flooring has been selected too so that is in the equation). I also prefer to have the framing procede as usual, and the radiant panels added later (i.e. no one piece subfloor products - our rainy climate would likely ruin them before the roof was on). Can you give me some idea of the price for Rauplate (the underside of subflooring stuff)? Thanks John |
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NRT.Rob
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| 13 Jun 2011 08:39 AM |
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I'm a little surprised to see raupanel as cheaper than joist trak. I see prices for raupanel that are significantly higher than joist trak. and rauplate as well. |
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BadgerBoilerMN
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| 13 Jun 2011 10:08 AM |
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It is very hard to beat RauPanels for performance if installed to spec.
Since the internet distributors have fully evolved and manufacturers have chosen to overlook the obvious, your price is as good as mine. |
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John7
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| 13 Jun 2011 10:04 PM |
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Posted By NRT.Rob on 13 Jun 2011 08:39 AM
I'm a little surprised to see raupanel as cheaper than joist trak. I see prices for raupanel that are significantly higher than joist trak. and rauplate as well. Rob, the Raupanel price i am showing says "old" beside it, meaning i found it on the web and i believe it was about 2004. It was also marked "net price" so its not really apples to apples. John |
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John7
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| 13 Jun 2011 10:07 PM |
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Posted By BadgerBoilerMN on 13 Jun 2011 10:08 AM
It is very hard to beat RauPanels for performance if installed to spec.
Since the internet distributors have fully evolved and manufacturers have chosen to overlook the obvious, your price is as good as mine. yes but i have no pricing for Rau plate. |
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BadgerBoilerMN
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| 14 Jun 2011 08:45 AM |
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I am with you now.
I see no advantage in Rauplate. We have installed miles of thermo-fin - climate trak - joist track - snap plate with good results. Like you I have a hard time getting a price for non-stock Rauplate. |
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BadgerBoilerMN
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| 14 Jun 2011 08:45 AM |
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PS The novice should generally shy away from the exotic. |
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John7
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| 14 Jun 2011 08:42 PM |
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Uponor Joist Trak it is!
I asked my designer to try it in his program and it came out virtually the same so I now have a slightly more generic plate specification ("heavy plates").
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steve burke
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| 16 Jan 2014 10:11 AM |
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Hi JOhn,
We are preparing to install ~4k sq feet of hydronics. Can you please advise on pricing for Raupanel and your experience with joist trak.
Thanks Steve |
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sailawayrb
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| 16 Jan 2014 12:34 PM |
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This thread is 3 years old… Looks like you can enter your zipcode and source Rauplate: Rauplate We tend to avoid recommending plate HR systems as the ROI and efficiency is quite bad. As such, we have zero experience with Rauplate. |
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