Cooling with ductless mini-split A/C units linked to geo-exchange unit?
Last Post 23 Dec 2009 03:52 PM by 183eej. 2 Replies.
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23 Dec 2009 11:11 AM
Hi all,

I'm hoping someone may have tried what might be a crazy idea.  Some background first: my new home will have geo-exchange heating via in-floor radiant on all floors.  We won't have standard HVAC ducting, opting instead for a HRV.  The geo-exchange unit will likely be a 4-ton Nordic GSHP with hot and (maybe also a cold) buffer tank.  I'm building in Calgary, Canada so cooling-load is quite low and we don't require much, if any, dehumidification in summer time.

In other posts on this forum, I've learned about ductless mini-split A/C units from Daikan, Fujitsu, etc.  I like the per-room control for handling cooling.  My understanding is that they all require an electric-powered heat pump on the exterior of the home.  However, I'd like to get as much benefit out of the GSHP as possible, including cooling. Would it be possible to replace the exterior heat pump of the mini-splits with water connections to the heating and cooling tanks of the geo-exchange unit?

I suppose the other alternative is to get a multi-function GSHP (such as the Nordic TF series) that would do liquid to water heating (for radiant in-floor) and liquid to air heating/cooling via standard HVAC ducting.  My guess is that this would add $10K-$15K over a just a liquid to water GHSP for radiant with no cooling at all.  I can't justify this much money in a location with little real need for A/C.

My hope is with the ductless systems (potentially tied to the geo-exchange unit for cooling) would be a cheaper and more flexible than such a full-on central A/C system.  My guess is that geo-exchange and ductless mini-split A/C can't be connected, but I thought I'd ask.

Thanks in advance,
Guy
Homeowner - Built in Calgary, Canada<br>Project Details: http://www.guydavis.ca/mphouse<br>
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23 Dec 2009 02:29 PM
There are products out there similar to ductless split that use hot or cold water instead of an outdoor unit.
You could use this with your infloor heating and cool with it in cooling mode.
Multi aqua is one of them.
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23 Dec 2009 03:52 PM

Here's another crazy idea.

It would interesting if a variable refrigerant volume system, like Daikin, could be married to a direct exchange geothermal unit like Earthlinked. 

Because the refrigerant phase changes in the ground during the heating mode, a DX system is much more efficient at extracting heat from the ground compared to a water sourced system.  And the Daikin system avoids the heat loss typically experienced with ducts in unconditioned spaces where they are normally found.  In addition, Daikin systems are smart in that they can channel the refrigerant wherever it is needed and avoid where it is not needed which contributes more to it's efficiency.

The issue with this idea is the Earthlinked system has to maintain a certain velocity of refrigerant in order to keep the oil, that is entrained in the refrigerant, from "pooling" at the bottom of the earth loops.   Daikin's system can have refrigerant runs as long as 1,000 feet which would cause compressor failure if the two refrigerant circuits were connected.

I'm wondering, however, if the two refrigerant circuits could be kept separate and still work?  I am picturing a copper-to-copper helical coil design, similar to the Earthlinked desuperheater, where the heat is efficiently transferred from the Earthlinked circuit to the Daikin circuit.

Dale Walker<br>EarthTap<br>www.earthtapenergy.com<br>Where the sun never sets on energy savings<br>
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