Posted By flynlion on 06 Feb 2013 04:18 PM
All, Acknowledged on poor readability. I knew my stream of consciousness was ugly and I attempted to add white space (and just made three attempts to edit) but no change. Perhaps there is a time delay and it will show up with a few paragraphs soon. Thanks for understanding my inability to edit or organize. I promise I had some English classes a few decades ago. However, I've separated this into four paragraphs with at least 3 spaces in between each and it is STILL all run together. Sam

If I remember correctly, losing paragraphs has to do with the browser.  I know we have discussed and solved this problem in GBT forum.  I cannot get the search function to work but I seem to remember that clicking on Tools and then clicking on Compatibility View to turn it on solved the problem.  Maybe someone can remind us how to make paragraphs show up.  I know I had this problem after I changed browsers and someone on the forum told me how to correct.

I live in central PA. I had a Bryant 50YDV072 water to air Geo system installed in my house built in 2006, a year after I moved in (2009). My house was 3400 sq feet then, but I told installer I planned to finish the basement (another 1200 sq feet).

Unit is 5 ton; installer ran additional ducting in basement. Total electric usage for Aug 2009 - July 2010 (with electric heat pump, before geo installed) was 35,898 kwH or 2992 kwH/month. After installation Aug 2010 - July 2011 was 39,464 or 3289 kwH/month. Aug 2011 - July 2012 was 35,722 or 2977 KwH/month. So far Aug 2012 - Jan 2013 is 20,194 or 3366 kwH/month. So as you can see, no real savings in spite of changing approximately 20- 75 watt can light bulbs from 75W to 12W after the first year too. Following suggested format: 1. Central PA (State College area). 2. Heat/Loss gain: not sure but here is all data from GeoDesigner: Bryant GT-PX Puron GeoDesigner is for Model 64, but changed to 72 on install. Heating run time 2498 hours Cooling run time 554 hours

Heating Stage 1: 97% Cooling Stage 1: 100% Source Type: Horizontal CLosed Loop Soil Type: .90 - Damp Sand/Gravel Pipe Type: 1" IPS PD SDR 11 Avg Pipe Depth: 6 feet (Note...more like 5.5) Trench length: 960 feet Min Freeze protect; 10 deg F Max Source-Cooling 80 Deg F Avg Source-Cooling 63 Deg F Avg Source-Heating 30 Deg F Min SOurce-Heating 30 Deg F Soil Conductivity .90 Soil Diffusivity: .64 Loop Conductiviity: 2.22 Ave Costs Heating: $323 Cooling: $75 Water Heating: $236 Total Annual: $634 Obviously my average costs are near/over $300/month...no where near $634 per year.

I don't have EAT LAT or EWT LWT, but will work to get. I now have three zones, main floor (usually at 68 or below in winter), 2nd floor (usually at 67 or below in winter) and now basement, just finished and thermostat off or at 63 or below for last few months. I also supplement with gas fireplace in evenings in family room ($300 in gas over last year). Family of four, with a grouchy light switch and thermostat monitor constantly on patrol. I bought Geo system so I wouldn't have to worry about heating/cooling. I'm having a "come to Jesus meeting" with installer on Friday. I've had him out several times after initial installation, saying I didn't seem to be getting any savings. He checks everything and tells me it is OK. I called him again last winter, with more data. He replaced the heating element in my water heater.

He keeps saying all is right. He says it is physically impossible for the Geothermal unit to be causing such high bills...he is bringing an electrician to convince me it is other electrical usage. I don't think so. What should I ask him? What might be wrong? What should I expect electrical reduction to have been? No way I should expect an increase or no real decrease, right? Thanks, Sam

those are just the numbers printed on the the Geo Designer sheet