Mechanical Durability and Reliability
Last Post 20 Apr 2009 12:54 PM by aardvarcus. 1 Replies.
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19 Apr 2009 05:18 PM

For the Mechanical (Hydronic/HVAC) guys out there: One of the things that I see at times, but I think perhaps could garner more attention is a committment towards durability and reliability of installation. For example, geothermal heat pumps - everyone likes to cite their cost savings of how it will pay for itself over so many years, but that is assuming minimal service, and not any potential service calls or issues, which are often expensive at times due to the technical nature involved in repairng them and potential expensive parts that may not always be off the shelf. 

I know I like to strive myself personally to putting high quality components in, in the most serviceable locations possible, and have everything installed in a hydronically correct methodology. This also includes learning about the best products, and at the same time being able to sell their benefits. But it also comes with having a little bit concern about your customers investment and trying to save them money.

But at times it also becomes difficult when you walk into a house and a customer suddenlly wants to reduce the investment on a reno into their mechanical installation because they can not see it, nor do they value it as much, which forces us to compromise in a way we do not like.  They have this thought that they'd rather spend $$$ on a fancy looking kitchen sink instead, and skimp out which causes a repair bill down the line potentially by putting in a lesser boiler, or piece of equipment, or all together going with the less competant contractor. I guess people in North American, unlike some ohter places, seem to have this attitude that if they don't like it they can flip it and move on instead of putting some foresight into their house?

So I'm curious what your approach is, perhaps what products you like to use, and what you've seen overall.

 

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20 Apr 2009 12:54 PM
I would really like to hear some feedback on this issue. I was working construction for the GC in a 1.6+ Million home which was receiving a geothermal system (tied into the nearby lake.) The Geo guys really ghettoed the job up, they didn't bury the pipes going to the lake half of the way (just shoved them under the deck) and the parts they did bury, they shoveled the dirt from the trench right onto the brand new deck, not just on the other side of the trench onto more dirt. (I know those aren't system issues, but that should give you the idea of what I am talking about.) I heard the words, "Just make it work." uttered way too many times, and this was over stupid stuff like pipe elbows. Who can't run down to Lowes and get some proper pipe elbows! I can't even imagine what is going on with the actual unit. The installed price? $50,000. I know that one bad experience isn't enough to generalize every geo install, and I know there are good geo guys out there, but everyone in my crew cringes a little bit when we hear the word.

You are right about current housing priorities; I have seen so much junk on the market that it is just disheartening. Like the tops of roof rafters for the corner of a hip roof sitting on a 5/8” piece of treated decking which is face nailed to the bottom of a 2*6 that is spanning 16 feet, supported on one end by a sad attempt at a non load bearing ridge beam, which the rafters come about 1” shy of touching with only the nails spanning the distance (about 1.5” of nail span on the bottom b/c the angles were wrong). I would honestly walk off of the job if my GC tried to get me to do that. When I first saw the house I honestly thought the curved roof was a design feature. Guess not!

There are still a few GC's out there building quality, but the only way to tell is to know exactly what you’re looking for and to be able to get inside past work and thoroughly check it out. General consumers without years of construction experience are up the creek without a paddle. Ask typical homeowners simple questions about their houses framing or foundation, and just watch their eyes glaze over. On every single house hunter type show on TV, how many times do they ever even glance in the attic or the crawl space? My count is ZERO. The problem is with the consumer’s lack of education because if people stopped buying junk houses, GC's would stop building junk houses.

Sorry for the rant, this type of stuff just makes me mad.
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