Posted By rpatterman on 12/01/2009 1:19 PM
Posted By Dana1 on 12/01/2009 1:11 PM
This may/may-not be ideal for a tankless, depending on the tankless: With warmer incoming water, at low flow propane & gas fired tankless units have a difficult time modulating LOW enough to regulate the temperature well (or even keep from going over temp and shutting down.) A gas/propane tankless needs to modulate below 15KBTU/hr in to handle low flow really well in warm water areas. Some (eg. the lower end Bosch units) don't go under 30KBTU/hr, and have notorious flame out issue mid-shower when low-flow shower heads are used. But with an electric tankless this shouldn't be an issue. [/quote]
I've wondered about this issue when people use solar preheat with a tankless booster. So either use electric tankless or a better quality gas?
Other question about tankless booster with solar preheat: Wouldn't the small amount of warm/cool water in the pipe between tank and tankless cause the gas tankless to fire even if not needed?
Gas fired tankless units often/usually have a high-incoming-temp fire inhibit function. (For Takagi that's ~130F, which limits their use as hydronic boilers to low-temp systems- I have one running the heating system at my house, however.) Below that they'll fire up whenever there's flow. It shouldn't interact with tempered water, but would certainly interfere with solar heated water, which is why they're often plumbed in as potable-water boilers maintaining the solar storage tanks rather than as boost heaters.
Some gas tankless heaters can go quite low. IIRC the Takagi TK3 can take it down to 10-11KBTU/hr or so.
Dumber'n'a box o' rocks tiny point of use tankless heaters are not temp regulated will fire-on-flow with only a safety high-limit on the temp, but they can often be used as unregulated boost heaters. They tend to be fairly high head, and getting 5gpm through 'em takes a bit of pressure (or a pump). Running them as temperature maintenance on a tiny 3-8gallon buffer tank (aka electric hot water heater, with the heating element connections running a circulation pump to the tankless) with solar water flow-through should work without mis-firing, or the need to maintain the solar store at high temp. It improves the efficiency of the system too, since the tankless never short-cycles you get nearly the full combustion efficiency, less standby losses on the the tank, which are small. And you never get the "cold water sandwich" tankless effect either. If the incoming solar is above the setpoint of the buffer, the tankless never fires, but you always have at least a few gallons of ready-temp water even if the solar is a tepid 80F after a morning of showers or a cloudy stretch. A tiny 40kbtu/h point-of-use tankless can keep up with a 2.5gpm shower if the incoming water is 80F. Putting it on a loop with a tiny tank and a pump keeps it from being a flow restriction to the hot water system as well.