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Last Post 31 May 2010 05:18 PM by adkjacUpstateNY. 6 Replies.

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24 May 2010 01:59 PM
Upstate NY National Grid Just called... my rep says no special deals for GEO heat source like some say they have. List of some energy costs Lake George, NY area: Natural Gas (not on my street yet, neighbors have applied for it) 1 therm=100,000btu real roughly equal to other fuels... (real rough) $12/mth summer delivery to $19/mth winter. price/thrm .95/thrm now... varied from .65 to 1.5 average 1.10 maybe (edited corrected) Electric $16/mth price/KWH right now .13/kwh this winter was .14/kwh Propane depends... best price of last year was around $1.60/g worst was they own tank and with no shopping price $2.3/g Oil.... I didn't watch too closely not interested in oil anymore around $2/g roughly Wood pellets were around $200/1tonpallet, good price as a while back they were up to $275 Cord wood is expensive and lots of work... I like the idea of cutting your own if you have the desire to burn it which is lots to do... then cutting is just as fun. Coal... not the best for the climate... but great price... $200/ton Solar panels... rumor has it that by next spring a oversupply is coming and prices also for many reasons are a head to $1/KW (wholesale $) down from $10 not too many years ago. GEO Lake George NY area... per Dana COP 2.5-2.75 which makes it much less than resistance heat. Install cost works for homes that are at the high end of cost per foot is my thinking, and larger than average. Typical larger custom in my area. (Duke Energy Carolinas say COP 3.3) Freewatt cogeneration w/natgas... interesting idea to use I am thinking especially for a passive house style superinsulated build where it could do all the heat and keep the house at least up to 55 degrees at -20, 60-65 at normal low of 20 degrees. Then back this heat up with wood, passive and active solar. It makes your electric during the heating season while solar PV would be less and then summer PV kicks in high gear and the freewatt maybe is off. Air to air high tech mini splits etc. COP for the season anyone? __2?____ same as freewatt... should be able to heat a superinsulated home with a small unit design for mean low temp not coldest temps... and then supplement again with wood, and solar... wood for those rare spells of continuous sub zero cold. What I really like about these small units... price and low btu output which matches a low need for btus when superinsulating.

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24 May 2010 11:10 PM
Propane $2.30 Electricty 11c No NG Cord Wood $40 buying a load, cut and split extra, $125 split and delivered (17m btu pe)r cord Pellets $180 per ton delivered in bulk No Oil Colorado Mountains

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26 May 2010 05:31 PM
Propane 2.35 per unit/gal (after fighting with the Propane Co who started out the season charging us $3.60 a unit) No NatGas Electric 15.2 cent per kWh including billing fees and service charges etc Oil No idea Wood $100 a full cord delivered, for cut but not split timbers, left overs from a barn recovery company. Mostly softwood but as well seasoned as wood can be. Wood - cut our own so the price of gas and chainsaw oil and our time -Rosalinda

Sum total of my experience - Designed, GCed and built my own home, hybrid - stick built & modular on FPSF. 2798 ft2 2 story, propane fired condensing HWH DIY designed and installed radiant heat in GF. $71.20/ft2 completely furnished and finished, 5Star plus eStar rated and NAHB Gold certified

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27 May 2010 01:15 PM
GEO GEO GEO Typical of my area of customers... Water temperatures of roughly 39 degrees. and KWH costs of $.14/KWH plus $16/mth billing I now have a great connection to a commercial GEO distributor... Next lots of literature and some copies of actual install numbers that use my 39 degree temperature taking into account the fact that there is quite a bit of water also moving through are build areas from mountain to lake. Sump pumps here are quite active for 6 plus months a year and during rainy periods. Edit: KWH typo, .14/kwh and notice that much of the country has rates closer to half our area. Milder climates with heating needs should have KWH costs less than half our area in Northern NY. Very favorable in that sense. Just have to get past the install costs being 50-200% higher. Milder climates also will have much higher ground temps averaging close to the marketed 50 degrees see often. COP will be higher with less delta T. than here.

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31 May 2010 12:41 AM
Natural Gas... mistake made with Nat Grid's help... cost is higher... .95/therm now 1.05/therm this last winter up to 50 therms then price drops lots. plus monthly fee as above $12-19 plus 12% tax or so.

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31 May 2010 01:48 AM
Passive House 10 million BTUs/season (Standard house 100 million) 2000sqft Northern Ny Estimated fuel costs: NGas $120 @ 90% sys efficiency GEO $120 @ 3.4 COP Coal $120 @ 75% Wood $120 @ 75% AirhP $160 @ 2.6 COP air source heat pump modern Fujitsu split no duct types Pellets $170 @ 75% oil $190 @ 80+% Kero $190 @ 90 % Monitor type Prop $200 @ 90 % Elect $410 @ 100% baseboard electric At 100 million btu typical standard 2x6 fiberglass construction GEO/NG/Wood $1200 Air heatpump $1600 Oil/propane $2000 BsbrdElectric $4000

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31 May 2010 05:18 PM
Am working on a home plan with higher levels of good cold weather non leaky insulation and aiming for 2,000 foot design 20 million btus load/year heat served half by wood and half by gas NG/Propane. Using my own home as an metric it seems to be quite doable with a sealed true whole wall of R-25, roof R-40, cellar R-20, slab R-20 ICF for cellar if used would seem to be perfect. Any Soy based ICF? Cellulose for the rest. Possibly a soy based spray to underoof deck protected by cellulose overspray or less desire Spyder for now.