pole barn house help.
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31 May 2014 01:13 PM
So my fiancé and I are looking to build a pole barn for a house when we get some land.I herd we have to have permits to build one.What kind do we need and how much do they normally cost?I live in Missouri.whats the best way to build it and to make sure we stay cool and warm when needed?we would be building it ourselves.azny other tips and help would be appreciated.
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01 Jun 2014 11:29 AM
You have to find out what codes are being enforced where your build is, you get the cost of all the required code from the city office that enforces them and you need license(s) to pull permits. The post alone can vary in cost, if you are using green lumber from the OZARKS locally milled by you or you are buying them from a saw shop or big box store...you can mill on site too. You can use telephone poles if you want to cut cost and don't mind creosote. If you want to keep cost down use materials that are within a 30 mile radius do ALL the building yourself including manufacturing. Here in KS wood is expensive but straw bales are cheap and makes great insulation and Nebraska Style load bearing structure IF you know what your doing. Look for info on "post and beam" construction if you have wood there and it is cheap. I've seen vernacular homes being build from $10 sq-ft to $300, you need a design first.

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01 Jun 2014 01:13 PM
In most places you need to get permits to build a house, however, in most places you do NOT need to be licensed to build a house that you will live in. In others words, in most places you can accomplish every element of building a house yourself (e.g., framing, plumbing, electrical, etc.) without being licensed in any of these trades at all, but you will first need to obtain the required permits just like the licensed contractors in these trades would have to obtain too. In most places you can NOT build a house yourself and subsequently legally sell it to anyone for some period of time…typically 2-4 years. In other words, in most places you can NOT even act as a general contractor (i.e., owner builder) and hire subcontractors to do all of these tasks/trades without still complying with this time restriction. If you build your own home entirely yourself, you will still need to acquire essentially the same knowledge and skills that the licensed contractors would have if you choose to accomplish these tasks yourself, or you will spend a lot of time dealing with failed permit inspections. So your first step should be to ask these specific questions to your local building regulatory authority. Then you should do some research to ascertain if you have the capability and the time to build a home yourself.
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01 Jun 2014 03:00 PM
Around this region KS and all surrounding states you can not pull a permit to replace a roof unless you are not only licensed but, registered with the Attorney Generals Office, have a registration #, and have shown you have liability and WC insurance at min amounts and a local address, if you are not local the AG watches you closely. Failure to do so results in a $10,000 fine...same for MO I believe. That is just roofing since alot of out of state contractors rip home owners off. We have a place called "U Build it" shows DIY'ers how to be a general contractor so perhaps you are right, no license required if you know and meet code but, I believe certain trades like electrical and plumbing final has to be done by them. I have seen MANY that take on not hiring a general contractor end up costing more than they saved paying some company to show them how. A "good" GC can be of great value and save time and money, others got no clue who they are hiring or what they are doing. A good GC not only has knowledge on design and build but a team that is proven a DIY's has to start over with. Our attorney is redoing all our sub contracts, indemnity is another thing a DIY can get into legal trouble, along with sub vs employee labor and employment laws. E&O is another....Some inspectors can be nasty to so knowing how they work can save tearing stuff out. The DIY companies do not tell their clients about the liabilities since they do not know them all it is so convoluted, law.

Only time I have ever heard of a time restriction on build and selling a home is with certain loans like FHA 403K you can not sell in two years and you have to prove residency or get fined, otherwise, conventional I belief fed regulations SEC can not stop you from selling before it is built. Local state office of banking commissions would know state and fed statues on this. If you use your own money no one can stop you from selling any time you want as far as I know?

Anyway back to pole n beam barn houses they work great with hay bales as insulation since you get a roof to drop tarps off of to keep the bales dry dropping tarps. 16" bales need a wide foundation since it is a mass wall but you can use a hybrid rubble trench foundation. Check out this very inspiring diy video using adobe brick and straw bales natural building techniques, best I have seen, no AC 100+F days in NM, off grid, site water and sewer: 2 1/2 hrs well worth it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Cvqxkqwr4&list=PLvuQjrubeFM0rbcsU6zHs1bdCzDKS-uq-
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02 Jun 2014 07:34 AM
The only way to get permit answers is to find your local building department and ask them. Laws and fees vary widely all over the country. Here in SC, for instance, I can do all of the work myself, but can't sell it for two years. My permits cost $480. I have a friend who built in an 'environmentally sensitive' area in CT, and paid $66,000 in fees and permits!

Buying land takes a lot of due diligence. Not only do you need to make sure that it is legal to do what you want with a particular property, you want to check things like flood zones to make sure you're not going to be swimming around every spring. Many areas have GIS mapping, which lists things like soil types, flood zones, crime stats, etc. You can also check out neighboring properties to make sure you're not buying next to the sewage treatment plant.

As for building- this site is a great place to look for information. Regardless of how the shell of a home is built, everything else costs about the same. Kitchens and bathrooms, in particular, can get expensive. Make sure you build everything to, or better than code, even if it is not inspected in your area. The house will be better to live in, easier to sell, and possibly easier to insure. There are a variety of ways to build an energy-efficient envelope; I recommend you study various types to determine what would fit your budget, and most closely fit your skill set and comfort level. Another big factor that often gets overlooked is siting the house on the land to take advantage of sunlight, prevailing winds, etc. Solar gain in the winter and shade in the summer are nearly free if you plan properly.
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