New water heater in Twin Cities - what do you think would be best?
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18 Nov 2018 05:02 AM
Cold climate in the twin cities with incoming water temps very cold. I am already connected to natural gas so it makes sense to stay with that. With the high delta t — 83 by my calculation — does that make tankless a bad choice? I might be replumbing the entire house and I also want to put in a drain water heat recovery system. Would that help with incoming water temp enough to make tankless viable? I’ll have a water softener. I prefer to vent through sidewall with pvc because I don’t want to go through the chimney for energy efficiency reasons. I have a lot of work to do air sealing the house and getting rid of that chimney vent will help some.
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19 Nov 2018 09:06 PM
Gas tankless water heaters are designed for high temperature deltas, and are just fine with an 83F delta.

The biggest residential versions have 199,000 BTU/hr burners. A condensing 199K burner can deliver about 190,000 BTU/hr out, which at an 83F delta is 190,000/83F= 2290 lbs/hr, or (/60=) 38 lbs/ minute, which at 8.34lbs/gallon is 4.6 gpm. At a lower delta-T it can deliver more.

Tub-filling temps are about 110F, so with 35F incoming water that's a 75F delta, and you'd get about 5.1 gpm out of it, filling a typical tub in well under 10 minutes, but more than 5.

Showering temps are about 105F at the shower head, which would be about a 70F delta, and you'd have enough for ~5.5 gpm, which is one MAJOR gusher head or 2-3 low-flow heads.

With a drainwater heat recovery unit big enough to test at 50% heat recovery @ 2.5 gpm (under the Natural Resources Canada test protocol) there is a LOT of margin available for other hot water draws, or multiple simultaneous showers, or even a smaller tankless if slow tub-filling isn't a problem.



If you're heating the place with a hydronic boiler you'll get faster tub filling times and bigger simultaneous flow capacity out of an indirect fired tank sized for the biggest tub you have to fill. (Most families do just fine with a 40-50 gallon indirect.) Don't upsize the boiler for the hot water heating- just make the indirect the "priority" zone on the zone controller.
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