Cedar shakes and code clarification
Last Post 18 Jun 2019 04:22 PM by MarkMA. 5 Replies.
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15 Jun 2019 12:44 PM
Quick background - We're trying to use greener options where we can and were hoping to use cedar shakes for exterior siding.   The architect/builder helping us with design recommended using Zip R9 sheathing, which includes 1.5" polyiso and 7/16 Zip/OSB. 

However, Massachusetts code states in R703.6.1 "Wood shakes or shingles shall be applied either single course or double course over nominal 1/2-inch (12.7 mm) wood-based sheathing or to furring strips over 1/2-inch (12.7 mm) nominal nonwood sheathing . . . When installing shakes or shingles over a nonpermeable water-resistive barrier, furring strips shall be placed first vertically over the barrier and in addition, horizontal furring strips shall be fastened to the vertical furring strips prior to attaching the shakes or shingles to the horizontal furring strips."

So the question is - do you interpret this to mean the only way to use the Zip R9 is with furring strips OR does it mean we can't use cedar shakes/shingles at all due to the 7/16 OSB?

That lead us to look into Hardie shingles as an alternative, because there is no minimum sheathing thickness requirement.  However, they are 1/4" thick and Mass code says 5/16 thick nominal for fiber cement siding . . .  Hardie lap siding is 5/16" but we initially weren't interested in lap.  So are the Hardie shingles a non-starter also?

That seems to push us to vinyl as an option or rethink the exterior insulation with Zip R.

Are we reading the code right and identifying the issues correctly?
Thanks for the help
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15 Jun 2019 05:12 PM
7/16" OSB is "nominal" 1/2" wood sheathing. The keyword being nominal (Applicable definition: Of or relating to the presumed or approximate value, rather than the actual value). In my experience, most 7/16" OSB, if measured at the edge, will be closer to 1/2" thick actual measurement.  The actual mathematical difference between 7/16" and 1/2" is only 0.0625 inches.  I would consider anything between 7/16" and 9/16" when dealing with wood to be nominal 1/2".  Check with your building inspection department to clarify, assuming you are in an area subject to inspection.
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15 Jun 2019 10:25 PM
One other question.
Do you have an actual sheathing (to control racking) underneath the Zip+?
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17 Jun 2019 10:42 AM
Thanks for the replies.

Arkie - I am hopeful that it will be okay, but I am not sure what the inspector will say. I am afraid it will come down to his interpretation of nominal as it pertains to osb/Zip.

Dilettante - we have the original plywood sheathing that will remain under the Zip for racking.
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18 Jun 2019 04:45 AM
You should be perfectly fine then.

And you can go one of two ways.
Down just through the Zip sheating (facing) itself.
Or down into the plywood sheathing.

Also, take a look at the Zip liquid flashing.to help seal the screw/nail heads
Basically run the first course.
Seal the penetrations
Run the second course.
Seal the penetrations.
Repeat.

You could also probably get away with a self-sealing peel-and-stick solution instead of a felt underlay.
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18 Jun 2019 04:22 PM
Thanks again for the responses - it's sounding positive so far.  We're hopeful we'll be all set, but have not gotten the official answer from the building department yet.

Sounds good - We're planning liquid flash for nail heads and zip tape for seams.

Hope to get the final answer soon, so we can keep this project moving forward.

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