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Bisseti
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04 Jul 2010 02:57 PM
Roof
I am looking at insulating an approx 6k square foot flat roof in Jersey City, NJ. The roof has a worn torch down layer over an original tar coating. The underside has uninsulated rough cut 2x8s. I will be finishing the interior by sheetrocking to the rafters -- there will be no attic. Building is gutted and vacant.
My quesiton is what would be the best insulating strategy for the money. I am presently planning 1.5" of foam on top the roof deck with a silicon coating, plus 5-6" icynene between the rafters, followed by 5/8 sheetrock. This is obviously pretty costly.
Is there a more economical diy solution that would give me a similar result?? (I do have excess of 1.5" rigid foam on hand).
For 2x4 walls and 2x8 basement ceiling ...
?? -- will the icynene be a much better performer than well installed cotton or JM bats. Is there another solution?
Any suggestions...appreciated.
ICFconstruction
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10 Jul 2010 11:35 PM
That much spray foam should be about R-20. If you have more 1.5" sheets, use them, if it is EPS it would be about R4 per inch. You should be able to use a few inches on a roof deck.
Brad Kvanbek - ICFconstruction.net
Bruce Frey
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11 Jul 2010 03:20 AM
Are you removing the existing roof(s) or are you putting the new insulation and coating over the existing roof(s)? I have no experience with silicon roofing products. What product are you thinking of?
Bruce
Anst_MA
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12 Jul 2010 06:07 AM
It does seem like a little pricey ...
Dana1
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23 Jul 2010 11:03 AM
(I may be a little late on this but...)
Bumping the layer of EPS above the roof deck to 4" and DIY dry-blowing cellulose into the rafter joists would be cheaper & much higher-R than 5" of half-pound Icynene fill. Even 6" of EPS and no cellulose you'd be slightly ahead of 5" of icynene + 1.5" of EPS. (Icynene is only ~ R3.5/inch- some other half-pound foams are closer to R4/inch. Cellulose at 1.5-1.8lb density runs ~ R3.6/inch, but hits ~ R3.8/inch at 3lb density- twice the material. A low density fill of cellulose would be cost-effective, and would sag from ~8" to ~7" over a few decades, with a long-term value of R25. But you can run into condensation & rot issues with low density cellulose-only under in torch-down flat roof- but in Jersey City's climate you can safely go that route with at least 30-35% of the R in foam above the roof. 4" of EPS would be R16, which would be about 39-40% of the total R(=R41, a significant R-boost over 5" of Icynene + 1.5" of EPS.)
Dry blowing cellulose into the wall cavities (possibly DIY), or wet-spraying cellulose (not DIY) would be higher-R than Icynene, if not as absolutely air-tight (but only 10% or less of the air infiltration & convection potential of batts.) Bang for buck it's usually good option. If JM Spider (wet sprayed ultra-fine fiberglass) can be sprayed to 1.8lbs density for similar money, it'll be a boost in R with air infiltration rates similar to cellulose.
pondpro
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20 Aug 2010 07:40 AM
If you are planning in this way as you described it will be little costly but i dont have the exact idea about it.
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