My Roxul insulation experience...
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20 Sep 2013 03:35 PM

Well, I have completed the Roxul insulation on my 'not-so-super-insulated' house and thought that I would share my experience of doing so.

My 9 foot tall wall construction is, from outside to inside:

Fraser Evolution Series horizontal '1x6 bevel with ship-lap' wood siding (http://www.fraserwoodsiding.com/en/...ood-siding)

1 x4 vertical strapping

Tyvec

2” Roxul Comfortboard IS (R-8) ( http://www.roxul.com/products/build...tboard+cis )

7/16 OSB

2 x 6 at 16” OC

5 1/2” Roxul ComfortBatt (R-22) ( http://www.roxul.com/products/build...omfortbatt )

6 mil Vapor Barrier

1 x 4 horizontal strapping

1/2” sheet rock

Installing the 2” Roxul Comfortboard IS:

Around the perimeter of the walls, at the top & bottom, I attached 2x4's (ripped to 2 inches) to provide a strong nailing surface for the 1x4 strapping.

Around each of the two doorways, I attached 2x4's (on the flat) and added 1/2 inch OSB to bring them out to 2 inches in thickness.

I 'tacked' the 2 foot by 4 foot Comfortboard panels to the OSB, in a 'brick' pattern, using 3” plastic cap, ring shanked nails (example: http://www.carsonsales.com/nails/pl...ring-shank )

Although you can use a bread knife with a serrated blade to easily cut the ComfortBoard, I found that using my table saw did a much better job giving straight, precise cuts which allowed me to re-use the cut-off pieces elsewhere in the wall, reducing the overall waste.

After the Tyvec was installed, I attached the 1x4 vertical strapping with 5” screws, doing my best to hit the 2x6 studs.

This was the part that I found difficult because the ComfortBoard will compress under the strapping if the screws were driven too deeply – this could cause an uneven base for the siding. (read: ugly, wavy siding) A carpenter provided the solution:

Over drive the screws and then 'back them off' so that a 'straight-edge' held against each 1x4 strap was perfect from top to bottom. He fashioned a straight-edge from a perfectly straight 10 foot 2x4. He drove a 4” nail at one end which was used to hook the straight-edge to the top plate. This system proved to be 'the way to go' – simple, accurate & fast.


I strapped all the inner & outer corners with 3/4” x 8” plywood to provide sufficient nailing surface for the siding & the siding corner trim.

Now, I will explain the mistake that I made. I used the 1x4 strapping to 'frame' the rough-openings, over the ComfortBoard, around all my windows – I should have framed them with 8” x 3/4” plywood. In my case, the 1x4 strapping did not provide sufficient nailing surface to attach the window trim and the siding! I had to add additional 1x4's around each opening – stupid mistake, especially since 'Bob', on this forum, recommend doing so. I simply forgot.

Installing the 5 1/2” ComfortBatts:

This was a breeze! The ComfortBatts easily, and very snuggly, fit between the 16” OC studs. Each batt is 15” wide by 47” long, but the cavity in my walls is 103”, due to the 9 foot ceilings. This meant that each cavity required 2 batts plus 9”. In actual practice, due to fitting the batts snuggly, I used 2 complete batts plus 10.5”.

Some of my studs were not 16” OC. When I had to cut a batt to the proper width, I used my table-saw 100% of the time. (I had to pass it through twice Again, this gave me straight cuts which allowed me to use the cut-offs easily. For 'length' cuts, I used the bread knife 100% of the time.

For any cuts that I made, I added about 1/2” to my exact measurements to allow for a tight fit. When the width of the cavity was less that about 8”, I added only 1/4” to my measurement so that I would not 'over-compress' the batt when installing it.

I have got to say that using this insulation was very easy and very rewarding. It completely filled each cavity and did so, very, very snuggly. If I inadvertently 'over-compressed' a batt when installing it, I simply inserted the thin blade of my bread knife between the stud and the batt, compressed the batt inward and drew the batt out to the edge of the stud.

It took me about 2 days to place the ComfortBatts – 2 “Rob” days. I am not a very fast worker. I placed all the full batts that I could first, then I did all the pieces that were full width but needed to be cut to the proper length. Next I did all the full length batts that needed to be cut to the proper width and, finally, filled in the areas that needed to cut in both width and length. This way I was able to reduce waste. My 'mutinous crew' said this wasn't a very efficient way to do it and suggested that I start at one end of a wall and work around the perimeter of the house. I ignored them, yet once again.

The perimeter of the walls is about 160' and it took 18.5 bags of Roxul, or, 148 batts. I had all the window & door headers spray foamed as well as a couple of places where the studs were less that 4” apart.

The cost of the Roxul was:

2” Roxul Comfortboard IS (R-8): 33 packages @ 45.00 = $1485.00

5 1/2” Roxul ComfortBatt (R-22): 19 packages @ 36.20 = $687.80


Rob.





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04 Feb 2014 12:00 PM
aren't you supposed to put the tyvec under the comfortboard? So that it would have gone siding -> comfortboard-> tyvec in your case?
http://www.roxul.com/files/RX-NA_EN/pdf/Sell%20Sheets/ComfortBoard%20IS.pdf Page 10 in that. I'm contemplating using the comfortboard product so I dont' actually have in the field experience, but that was my reading of this document and am curious why you did it the way you did.


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04 Feb 2014 12:30 PM
It seems that I made a mistake!

Now, I won't be able to sleep!

I sent an email to Roxul asking them what will happen to my house, now that the walls are complete incorrectly - I'll post their reply.

Thanks for ruining my day!

Rob.
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04 Feb 2014 01:18 PM
It doesn't matter which side of the Comfortboard the housewrap ends up on, as long as the window & door flashing is continuous with (and properly lapped with) the housewrap.

Comfortboard is not damaged by moisture, is fairly air retardent, but extremely permeable to water vapor and is not water-proof to liquid water. When there is a discontinuity between the flashing & housewarp, as the flashing directs bulk-water incursions onto the Comfortboard instead of the housewrap some that moisture can end up in the more-susceptible wood sheathing.
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04 Feb 2014 02:07 PM
Thanks Dana1, my day is getting better all ready!
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04 Feb 2014 05:43 PM
Sorry, didn't mean to stress you out or anything, I was mostly interested in making sure my understanding of how to do it was acceptable so I don't ruin my walls when I build my home...
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05 Feb 2014 09:32 AM
"Sorry, didn't mean to stress you out..."

Sure, easy for you to say but you're not sitting in a brand new house whose walls are rotting away while you type!

Hope Dana1 is right.

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05 Feb 2014 11:31 AM
Rob - in my opinion, you are always best to have the house wrap as close to the outside as possible. Why would anyone want to get the Comfortboard soaked with water before it can drain. But of course, the main thing is that the house wrap and flashings work together.
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