Dave,

Would this (Tegrant) be any relationship to Formtech ICF? Looks like an interesting product. Any experience with this?

Leonard

Tegrant owns Formtech Leonard, formtech is prety good block itself but strong and versitile, but its not the new block designe.

Formtech used to be independant but SCA bought out the international rights some time ago andhave gradualy been buying stock until they took it over a while back now.

SCA are the biggest moulders of block in the world moulding some 27 brands of block in the USA alone.

Tegrant as SCA was owned by a private company and individual, ie a large company not publicly traded and a very well known billionair (centuries old money). For reasons I don't know SCA decided to sell off its north american opperation and a new york venture capital company bought it, but that company is also owned or at least a major part of it is owned by a private company and an individual, a little slight of hand in ownership it appears maybee. Nevertheless these guys have developed the next generation block with some very significant fitments that will probably even put me out of biz because they will take the skill out of standing block to such an extent that anyone could stand a streigh wall even without training.

Again everything I post is my oppinion and I may be stupid, LOL!!!

May is not an option! Any one who thinks that post 2000 forms are the best obviously is still working in the past. Lets get the crank out and fire up that edsel.

Dave

And all this time I was envisioning standing up walls as in "tilt up" concrete panel walls! No wonder I was having a hard time trying to figure out what he was talking about!

one of the TF dealers who has alot of experience with them is Mark Quinn, he is on the ICF builder website, you should probably talk to him about them, i know of several projects he has completed. Mark Quinn(571)221-8830

Hi Ben,

not sure if i am doing this right with the email reply, but the guy you need to talk to is Mark Quinn, he has extensive field experience with TF systems 571-221-8830 he is also on ICF Builder website

Thank you Bill I've heard of Mark from people out there and he looks like an OK guy you also for that matter, we have friends in common it seems.

I have two projects in engineering at the moment for ICF's but will swap them out to the virtical system as soon as I can lay hands on it and intend to 'play' a little and see what we can do with it in order the gear up for a couple of substancial project comming up in 09 and 10, the first being in the order of 1.2 million feet, and the second being something of a lifetime job with a projected build of 12 years, so as you can imagine we are going to be looking for a heck of a lot of subbies.

One thing that is an issue for us regarding flexibility of use of product is where we obtained the lead in the first place, we don't switch block ever, there's far too much of that crap going on in the industry with each distributor trying to cut the other guys throat and in the end selling block to jobs at such a knock down price that they can't afford to give any support later.

As you can imaging most of our project are tied because of the ethics situation and we only have a few that we can change around because they don't come from the normal sourses so to speak.

I'm not sure what our manufactures have in mind in totality re the marketing of their system, other than the fact that they don't want any of the flying monkey types getting their greasy hands on the product and building problem houses, so the first few of the projects will be commercial and by us alone, no one else. We in turn will bring reliable contractors in around the whole continental states on a project by project basis thus ensuring that each contractor gets trained properly.

These guys have the resources to play the long game and price advantage to dissplace wood in the market, as I said before no one is in a rush to get this off the groud, the idea being to do it properly.

Cheers.
DaveF.

Dave F, no panic here. Our manufacture doesn't rely on SCA, and I'm not a Amvic guy anyway. Just commenting on your "perfessional" opinion from the 20th century products. Besides SCA is no threat to anyone stacking a good product, might be for you though, it seems they mold your number 1 choice.

Dave

Dave,

I am very curious about this new product from Tegrant. I know it maybe too early to ask but can you pass on any corporate contact info so I could place a call? They may or may not talk to me but it's worth a try.

Thanks,

Leonard

I'm sorry I can't mate, its not in my ownership, not my place so to speak, and if you call them all you will get is a stone wall about anything new.

These guys are a very big corporation and they have their systems of managment and methods of opperation.

What I can tell you is that the launch was due last year but they ran into structural problems, that's biz structural not engineering, it's sort of like watching the build up to the first gulf war, no one pulls the pin until everything is in place. But I can tell you that they are producing block as I write and building a very substancial inventory (something that the small guys can never do).

As an aside the fact that delivered block from these guys will be a few months old is beneficial in the fact that the water will all be evaporated and we won't get shrinking block delivered to job sites, they have thought of everything and we are six months away from a big splash type launch, but I guess they will start to relese samples before that, maybee.

For the guys who are really doing many different projects with TF, probably it's best to call TF!

Mark Quinn is a TF dealer!

Still a good idea to check with the ICF companies to see who is really doing what.

what ICF companies are you talkin about? just out of curiosity!

There is a system which is the size of drywall.  Igloo Panels of Texas and Virginia.   Texas # 512-825-9313  or Virginia is 540-222-1642   4' x 8' panels or 9' panels and can go 18 '  Your welcome, Roy

roy are you telling us to call you? are you a distributor?

Igloo Panels has no website????

Visit the Igloo website here

Just lending a hand.

What is a vertical ICF Panels?

How can I contact you? Do you have information somewhere.

 
You seem to know some about ICF right?

leave me you number or contact information please?

I am not sure who you are talking too, i don't do verticals, try Mark Quinn , Quinn Construction Services 571-221-8830