eldorado stone on ICF house
Last Post 06 Jan 2009 06:47 PM by Chirp Frog. 9 Replies.
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06 Jan 2009 02:30 PM
I was wondering if anyone knew of the installation procedure to add something like Eldorado Stone to an ICF house. If there was a lot of prep involved or not.

I know if it was just a masonry block then no, but did not find any info on ICF.

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06 Jan 2009 02:49 PM
Some icf's have a brick or tappered panel to sit brick, stone, etc. After that it's the same as conven. except you have to go where the studs are to screw ties in. I don't believe any other prep. is needed.
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06 Jan 2009 03:05 PM
So it is a pretty simple thing to do? I am not 100% sure of what all goes into ICF on the Outside. Are there any places I can see this in action?
Kind of "green" on this and not in the eco way ;)

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06 Jan 2009 03:11 PM
You better ask a profesional layer for pics or maybe another forum would help! Any finish can be aded to icf!
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06 Jan 2009 04:40 PM
I know any finish could be added. I just didn't know about what kind of exterior was going to be added to the ICF to make siding/stone/brick to be applied. I have seen the stucco ICF backing etc.
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06 Jan 2009 05:10 PM
We have installed quite a bit of faux stone on icf walls. Eldorade stone falls into this class. We have installed galvanized wire lath, attaching lath to icf studs with lath washers and galv.,or stainless screws. Then apply scratch coat per stone mfgs. specs. Once this is complete follow stone mfgs. installation procedures. We have projects on icf walls that are over 15 years old and look great. . Remember proper flashing must always be used.Scratch coat is made up of type "n or S"mortor apprx. three 5 gallon pails of mason sand and 1 qt. of acrylic fortifier , and one bag of your mortor choice, and water. stacking one block @ a time
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06 Jan 2009 05:22 PM
ok this is what I was wondering. If I needed to use the flashing etc.
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06 Jan 2009 05:32 PM
Hi. I just happened to have looked into this myself today. I'm sorry not to give you speicifc links, but I saw several manufacturers (both for ICF and thin stone veneer) address sticking natural or cultured stone on ICF. Eldorado's installation manual says more or less what Chirp Frog says, with a few more caveats. I have not (yet) installed any kind of stone over ICF, so this all just book(web?)-lernin': Since there are different systems of ICF, the mesh might need additional support, in the form of ties that are imbedded in the concrete. The thicker your foam, the more likely you need those ties (Eldorado recommends you ask an engineer if foam is more than 0.5" thick). 
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06 Jan 2009 05:42 PM
Hey Chirp Frog -- I saw that you're in Michigan, where you have real seasons. Have you had any problem with thin veneer popping off due to freeze/thaw cycles? I'm in NH. -- Thanks --Kate
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06 Jan 2009 06:47 PM
Kate,

In our winter wonderland, (Michigan), we have had no problem with thin veneer masonry products, or for that matter, tile, popping off ever. My house has thin brick, which was installed 25 years ago over a foam substrate (not icf, of course) and looks as good as the day it was put up. The key is to not allow water to get behind the veneer. That is why proper flashings and counter flashings are so important.

The most important key to success is the acrylic fortifier, which helps cementicious mortars, grouts or base coats to perform better during the freeze/thaw cycles that we both have experienced. An exterior tile that would typically be used on a floor also makes great accents on ICF walls. If you want to go one step further, you can take the modified thinset, mortar or grout and apply it vertically to your icf wall, and then stamp it using readily available decorative concrete stamps. Another technique that we have used is a self adhesive stencil where we used these patterns along with iron oxide pigments to create our own faux stone tapestry.

stacking one block @ a time


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