Radiant barrier on ICF?
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18 Apr 2009 02:40 PM
I am having brick installed on the exterior of my ICF home with full walk-out basement.  The south faceing wall will be ~20' high and ~62' long.  Down here in the south, that brick gets really hot when the sun shines on it in the summer.  This heat then radiats out from the brick late into the night. 

Standard practice here is to put a 1" air gap between the brick and the wall.  I was thinking about installing a radiant barrier on the outside of the ICF foam before the brick is installed to reflect some of this summer heat.   The cost for this aluminum and polyolefin based radiant barrier that I've been looking at is ~$0.15/ft2.  Are there any downsides to installing this radiant barrier other than the cost and time to install it?

Another idea I had was to just install 1/2" polyiso foil faced sheathing over the exterior foam.  This would add a radiant barrier as well as an additional R 3 to the existing 5" of EPS.  Local cost for this 1/2" foam board is ~$0.33/ft2.

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18 Apr 2009 10:20 PM
Kinda defeats the science behind ICF adding this additional product. The thermal mass will work just fine in preventing all that excess heat from entering the structure. You idea may have some merit, but not something I would bother with.

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19 Apr 2009 09:57 AM
I am with Chris, don't bother. you have lots of insulation and concrete to keep the heat out.
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19 Apr 2009 05:44 PM

Study the science behind the issue and make an informed decision.

There is no such thing as "cold"  Just heat and lack of heat.

Heat travels by conduction,COnvection, or Radiat flow

EPS has good resistance to conductive heat transfer.  I have never heard of anyone claiming it is superior as a radiant heat transfer barrier.

 

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20 Apr 2009 02:43 PM

Jusaxeme,

I enjoyed reading your post about radiant barriers.  I do have one question.  What effect does dust have when it settles on the radiant barrier's shiny side?  I did not see that addressed in your post.

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20 Apr 2009 03:17 PM

Alton,

Thank you for your question.

Dust would diminish the emisstivity and thus diminish the effectiveness.

There are two ways to address this (although I wonder how large of a problem this would be in the setting that is a subject of the original poster's question--ie, behind the brick)

#1, an Atomic polymer nanoclay coating will create a paramagnetic surface that is thus photocatalytic and self-cleaning.

#2, The best radiant barriers recognise that there must be a gap or the radiant properties become conductive.  Sandwiching the reflective material between clear bubble pack helps

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21 Apr 2009 01:16 PM
Posted By Chris Johnson on 04/18/2009 10:20 PM
Kinda defeats the science behind ICF adding this additional product. The thermal mass will work just fine in preventing all that excess heat from entering the structure. You idea may have some merit, but not something I would bother with.


I really don't see the idea of a radiant barrier defeating the science behind ICF, but rather supplementing it.  It doesn't take anything away from the thermal mass or insulation properties of the ICF wall in cooling dominated climates.  In climates where most energy is expended in cooling the home, and in particular where you have a masonry exterior with high thermal mass, I can see this helping to reduce peak and overall cooling loads by reflecting a large part of that radiant heat load away from the home.  

In the summer here in Arkansas we don't get the same thermal mass benefits as the high desert areas since night time temperatures here in July and August rarely dip below what I would consider a comfortable temperature. 

The only downside I can see is the time to install it and the cost of the material.  The better radiant barriers that I have found on the net run about $130 for 1000 sq ft.  These are generally 48" wide rolls of material and would go up relatively quickly.  If properly installed, this could also provide a good exterior wall moisture/vapor barrier, particularly around window and door openings.
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30 Apr 2009 05:37 PM
How is heat going to radiate through 5" of foam?

Don't waste your money!
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06 May 2009 04:16 PM
Arkie6 
 I just built a green home in the state of Alabama and my homeowner had this very question. We went through all the reasons why he would not have to install a RB on the exterior walls but in the end it just comes down to what you think. It does nothing but help. It may cost more and if you are fine with that then I say go for it as did my homeowner. 
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14 May 2009 07:00 AM
I'm going to be building a small ICF home (1,300 sq ft) here in coastal Maine that will be airtight and super-insulated.   It won't qualify as a Passivhaus, but should come close in heatload numbers.    I'm going to be going with a double layer of ThermaSteel panels for the roof (15" total) and have also considered adding a floating layer of Prodex (foil-foam-foil) reflective insulation on the inside of the house beneath the ThermaSteel to potentially give me an extra R-15 in the roof--basically, gilding the lily.   Do any of you folks familiar with this product feel that I would gain any measurable benefit in R-value from this additional layer of insulation beneath what will already be an R-67 roof?

Let me know your thoughts, would you?   Thanks.


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14 May 2009 07:32 AM

John,
Do you plan to have as much as an inch air space between the foil and ThermaSteel panels or does this product with two shiny sides require it?

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14 May 2009 07:47 AM
Alton:

I'll have it sandwiched between a grid of 2x4s, giving it 1-1/2" of airspace on each side.    Here are other configurations that Prodex recommends.

Hope this helps. . .


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