Tips for building with ICFs when it's windy
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12 Nov 2010 09:37 AM

I am about to start building my Nudura house in the next couple of weeks.  We live on an island north of Scotland and it can get very windy in the winter months.  We only need to build the garage in the winter, the rest of the house will wait until the spring. 

Does anybody have any tips for building ICFs in windy locations?  My current thoughts are:

1.  Brace it when I reach the third row of blocks.

2.  Foam all the joints.

3.  Get the scaffolding set up outside the walls before I start.

4.  Tie the rebar to the webs at every web.

5.  Pour the top of the gable ends as a separate pour.  (The side walls are just under 10 feet from the concrete footings, the gable adds a further 10 feet (roughly).

6.  With all the weather forecasting stuff available, I feel that I can get a reasonable feel for up to about 5 days ahead.  If I can get the bottom three rows of blocks pretty secure then the upper rows can be put up fairly quickly at the start of a calm period.

I realise that one option is to do multiple pours but I would obviously prefer to avoid the additional joints that this introduces if I can.

Anybody got any tips that they would be willing to share?

Thanks for your help.

Andrew



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12 Nov 2010 11:58 AM
You shouldn't need to foam all the joints using Nudura. Those forms lock pretty tightly. Just try taking one appart once it is put together.
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12 Nov 2010 12:11 PM
We foamed/glued the bottom course, then used tie wire or zip ties to hold the subsequent courses down. We put the bracing up at 3 or 4 courses high. No problems in 45-50 mph gusts. The loose blocks were another story. The ones that didn't get away we set inside the window bucks and put a sheet of plywood over.
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12 Nov 2010 12:48 PM
Too bad Polycrete Big Block is not readily available in Scotland. For others interested, 2' X 8' blocks with steel cross ties and internal steel mesh reinforcement fold flat for shipping and will not blow away in the wind. Install bracing with 2nd course (4') andyou'll have no problems. No need to glue successive courses. Large size of block allows you to get two braces on each one.
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12 Nov 2010 12:58 PM
Posted By Bruce on 12 Nov 2010 11:58 AM
You shouldn't need to foam all the joints using Nudura. Those forms lock pretty tightly. Just try taking one appart once it is put together.


It was recommended by the guy who ran the training course, not so much as a tip for handling the wind (although I guess it would help) but more for preventing blowouts.  He said that he had never had a single blow-out and put it down to foaming all the joints.
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12 Nov 2010 07:40 PM
I am sorry, but I have poured about 15-20 Nudura jobs and NEVER glue the joints and have not had a blowout yet. The majority of Nudura instructors strongly discourage glueing the joints for many reasons. (Cost being one of them.)
I would recommend putting bracing on after the 2nd-3rd course. No glueing, tying, etc. If you put a brace every 6' and the block are 8', you should be fine.
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12 Nov 2010 09:44 PM
Posted By aa_uk on 12 Nov 2010 09:37 AM

I am about to start building my Nudura house in the next couple of weeks.  We live on an island north of Scotland and it can get very windy in the winter months.  We only need to build the garage in the winter, the rest of the house will wait until the spring. 

Does anybody have any tips for building ICFs in windy locations?  My current thoughts are:

1.  Brace it when I reach the third row of blocks.

2.  Foam all the joints.

3.  Get the scaffolding set up outside the walls before I start.

4.  Tie the rebar to the webs at every web.

5.  Pour the top of the gable ends as a separate pour.  (The side walls are just under 10 feet from the concrete footings, the gable adds a further 10 feet (roughly).

6.  With all the weather forecasting stuff available, I feel that I can get a reasonable feel for up to about 5 days ahead.  If I can get the bottom three rows of blocks pretty secure then the upper rows can be put up fairly quickly at the start of a calm period.

I realise that one option is to do multiple pours but I would obviously prefer to avoid the additional joints that this introduces if I can.

Anybody got any tips that they would be willing to share?

Thanks for your help.

Andrew




Hey UK,

Long time no hear from.   Basically I agree with the Nudura knowing above:
1)  I usually brace after stacking to 3 or 4 blocks and foam my first course to the slab after checking with laser etc.  No tracks needed.
2)  Never bother to glue joints - it's a waste of time and money.   You can't easily pull them apart and neither can the wind ( at least below 40-50 mph).
3)  I usually set up scaffolding inside and not outside when possible.
4)  Don't bother tying rebar to the webs as it's a waste of time and money.   The rebar locks in just right.  You will be using 10mm or 15mm?   I do NOT, utilize ACI 318 non-contact splice and I choose to tie all horizontals so as to avoid clutter in the wall (to each other not to the webs).   Much easier to vibrate/consolidate that way.
5)  I would absolutely pour this job in a singel pour -- it will be stronger and will save you a pump truck.   We just poured a warehouse here in the DFW area and poured 352 linear feet to 18' 6" in one pour.   I once poured Nudura from 0' to 15' in one pour and 15' to 40' in a second pour.  If curious i can send pictures. 

Regards.
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13 Nov 2010 08:12 AM
Thanks for all the comments.

Most of the rebar is what's called T12 here (12mm = half inch). There is some T16 (16mm = 5/8 inch) in the lintels.

From the top of the footings to the tip of the gable is just under 22 feet. Would you advise trying to do this in one go or would I be better off doing the first 10 feet (i.e. to the height of the wall plate on the side walls in the first pour and then the extra 12 feet at the gable ends as a separate pour? This is my first ICF pour and I am doing it myself.
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13 Nov 2010 01:34 PM
aa_uk,  Unless you have a local guy with Nudura or (general ICF) experience, you may be better off with two pours.   I know i said pour the entire way just yesterday but this was before I undestood this was your first job.   Two pours will help keep your focus where it needs to be during each pour.   Just for grins see attached Nudura.  Regards.
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13 Nov 2010 05:19 PM
Thanks for the advice!
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