we poured a 60x80 building with  22' tall  icf wall with a 6'' core 18'8'' of the wall was above grade we put #4 rebar every 16''' horizotal and #4 every 2' vertical we noticed  if some deflection in the wall just by slamming your shoulder into it is this normal 

 glenn

No it's not normal. Use a thin screw driver and check for voids. Was the steel placement engineered? Did you consolidate the wall as you poured? Was the wall poured in one lift?

Seems the rebar schedule for the verticals is a little undersized for the size building. Is this what was engineered or was this just done? I recently poured a 64x40 that had #5 bar at 2' vertical and #4 bar at 16" horizontal with 23' above grade. ANY deflection would have me checking for voids or a bad concrete mix. There should be NO movement in a 6" core wall. Something is not right.

my brother was running the hose and i was watching the concrete flow myself so im sure there are no voids but i will check again i asked the concret plant owner if this was normal on a wall this size he said you would have some deflection if you were to put your shoulder into it

not sure if it is moving or vibrating were going to string it tomorrow but yes i slammed into it from one side and my brother could feel in on the other . i was suprised to feel it move but I would think it would take alot to make this wall fail

Concrete will flex some. Ever been on a long bridge when a truck goes by? That's also the principle behind pretensioned concrete beams.

The only question here is whether a person can realistically apply enough force to cause a little bit of deflection in the concrete slab you have here. A wall is just a slab sitting on its edge. I don't know, but an engineer experienced in concrete could tell you. How long ago did you pour the wall? The concrete might still be a bit soft.

If this wall was placed recently during cold weather then it may not have gained sufficient strength to resist light pressure.

Is there any chance that this wall froze before the concrete set enough?

So what your saying is that you poured the wall in 2- 11' lifts.. The wall was built 11' then poured, then another 11' with a final pour.  That would be a single 11' pour each time

the pour is a couple of weeks old it did have a couple of days  of decent wheather before it got real cold , and correct we poured 2 11' lifts

This a pretty good sized building . It must have overhead door openings. How did you treat the lintels over the openings as far as rebar placement.

You did not mention if you have any type of pilasters incorporated into the walls. With that length of wall, I would think at least two per wall would be needed.
Also, no mention of any type of floor or roof system in place, or not. No one else seems surprised at the use of a 6" core for a 22' tall wall, especially of these dimensions. I am.
I would think a thicker core would be needed for the situation, especially if there are no floors to reinforce these 22' vertical walls.

yes there are rafters with 2x8 bottom cords but  and a 5'' slab on the ground  , what suprises me is i see block wall with these demensions in commercial applacations all the time

Ask your concrete supplier what the aire (pronouned air) content factor is. This will impact the flexibility of the concrete - and by design. Bridges and the like have a high aire content to allow flexibility. Specs sometimes limit aire content in concrete for rigidity. Regarding the rebar -- many engineers will call out a less stringent horizontal e.g. number 4 on18" inch O.C. and call out number 5's on 16 0.C. for vetiticals. Regards.

I'm not trying to rag on you but there are two glaring problems with your job. The first is the fact that the recomended lift height for icf's is 4'. The reason for this is that you have webs that retard the flow of concrete. A recomended 6 slump is not as runny as everyone thinks. The rebar retards the flow of concrete . The type and spacing of the webs will also keep the concrete from flowing. Some forms have dove tail interiors, this also slows the flow versus a smooth interior. The second problem is related to the first and that is there is no way you can vibrate a 11' foot wall to make sure you have a fully consolidated wall. Many people use 1" pencil vibrators which are useless on icf's let alone be able to vibrate the 11' wall that you poured. I'm with Wes this should have had pillasters. I think you're not in a snow load area show you might be safe. but I question the viablity of this building.  This is my last question.  Did you get the material from a distributor and did they give you any guidance on this build?

Smartwall is right on the both points. But if you used Polycrete ICFs, you would not have as much concern. Steel cross ties made with .16" (4 mm) do not impede the flow of the concrete, and a welded mesh made from the same steel wire inside the foam panel allows you to go to town with a standard vibrator -- you can't break the form.

@ Smartwall :

Hi ,would you elaborate on how a 1" vibrator is useless on icf walls?
It seems to be the recommended tool by most manufacturers?
I uses this on a 14 ft wall with 3 lifts and had excellent consolidation ?
Peter

I am doing a 21' wall in 6", but the steel is #5 bar @16" both ways.

I doubt a human body is "bending" 6" of reinforced concrete even if it was a bad set.

What are the footing dimensions and what tiebar was used?