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"old stucco" vs new stuff

Last Post 01 Feb 2012 07:55 AM by Chris Johnson. 6 Replies.

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k52

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30 Jan 2012 08:32 PM
Hey guys and gals. I know this topic has been kicked around but I recently got a bid from a stucco guy that tried to tell me that the "old fashioned" paper and metal lath was the way to go on ICF. He stated that the material cost were much cheaper, the ability to do smooth wall (and even out any problem areas, joints uneven blocks. divits etc) was much faster, the materials set up time was faster, and with tyveck or a house wrap and paper there were no problems with moisture, and finally that the surface was harder. (I know that permacrete is hard as well.) I'll have to see his price but he swears that his way is faster and cheaper. IS THE "OLDER" WAY REALLY STILL THE BETTER WAY? thanks K52

FBBP

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30 Jan 2012 10:18 PM
Posted By k52 on 30 Jan 2012 08:32 PM Hey guys and gals. I know this topic has been kicked around but I recently got a bid from a stucco guy that tried to tell me that the "old fashioned" paper and metal lath was the way to go on ICF. He stated that the material cost were much cheaper, the ability to do smooth wall (and even out any problem areas, joints uneven blocks. divits etc) was much faster, the materials set up time was faster, and with tyveck or a house wrap and paper there were no problems with moisture, and finally that the surface was harder. (I know that permacrete is hard as well.) I'll have to see his price but he swears that his way is faster and cheaper. IS THE "OLDER" WAY REALLY STILL THE BETTER WAY? thanks K52 If you like the way "OLD STUCCO" cracks and the rougher surface than thats the way to go. If you prefer a smooth maintenance free surface than I would go with an acrylic product.

Alton

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30 Jan 2012 10:47 PM
I think you will find that the acrylic product will be more water resistant than real stucco and more trouble free. Another thing to keep in mind is that the acrylic will not need painting to get a uniform and permanent color.

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Chris Johnson User is Offline

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31 Jan 2012 07:03 AM
In my California days, the insurance company would not allow you to use EIFS or TAFS on your house. People did the traditional stucco base and used acrylic for the top color coat. What is your location? With traditional stucco you applied the scratch coat and have to wait for it to crack out prior to finish, with EIFS or TAFS, you can scratch one day and color coat the next.

Chris Johnson - Pro ICF<br>North of 49

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31 Jan 2012 09:00 AM
If you want a Stucco material that is abuse resistant, water resistant and the best product to use over ICF you really should use StuccoMax! Happy to send you a sample over foam to look at.

k52

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31 Jan 2012 12:02 PM
I am in lafayette california. Hi Chris, you have been adding to the forum for some time. Are you guys saying that the overall quallity is about the same either way? (regarding all the specifics in the question in my initial post?) No advantage to one over the other? thanks k52 Got to go to work now but I'll check in later! K

Chris Johnson User is Offline

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01 Feb 2012 07:55 AM
If your in California, I too lived in Lafayette for a year prior to moving to Napa. check with your insurance company prior to making the decision. Acrylic stucco homes were un-insurable - they would not insure them because of the past problems. Depending on how long you have been there, I arrived in '04 and they were stripping and re-doing a building on the south side of 24 just before you enter the Calidcott tunnel heading to SF, this was originally EIFS and failed. All the houses I build in CA had a standard scratch coat done and then the finish coat was a Dryvit product

Chris Johnson - Pro ICF<br>North of 49