Who has some tricks? I have one to start off. For penetrations, especially larger ones, cut the hole to size and use a length of coiled sheet metal instead of a pipe, jam your cut of EPS inside. After the pour just remove the cut off piece, give the sheet metal a twist to remove.

If you're going to use the sheet-metal temporarily, rather than a pipe, make sure to put some mineral oil on the outside of it just before the pour. It'll help popping it loose after.

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03 Oct 2018 12:51 AM Quote:

Ah. Someone trying to start a flame war over a construction method.

Now I've seen it all.

Can someone show us on the doll where the evil ICF contractor touched you?

*sigh*

Maybe if you spent less time on child molester jokes, you could find some time to show your expertise in another field - like ICFs - since you've seen it all.

We use waxed cardboard tubes made for pouring concrete columns (e.g., Sonotube) for larger penetrations (e.g., HRV openings, stove hood exhaust, etc).

We place short sections of PVC pipe over the footing dowels before stacking the block and then drop the vertical rebar into the PVC pipe to essentially tie it to the dowels.

Buildblock corners have a round channel for placing vertical PVC pipe to help with fastening corner trim. If you don’t drive the PVC pipe all the way down until finished you can use the exposed pipe to tie string to help with straightening the top of the walls.

Posted By mojoe on 03 Oct 2018 02:29 PM
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03 Oct 2018 12:51 AM Quote:

Ah. Someone trying to start a flame war over a construction method.

Now I've seen it all.

Can someone show us on the doll where the evil ICF contractor touched you?

*sigh*

Maybe if you spent less time on child molester jokes, you could find some time to show your expertise in another field - like ICFs - since you've seen it all.

Dude.  I'm not sure what your problem is.
You wanna have a hate-on for ICF, fine.  NOT MY PROBLEM.
But please, PLEASE stop being a drag about it in the forums here.
NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE.
You're just making an ass of yourself here.

My problem? You're the one that took it upon yourself to use the child molester reference - very impressive. I simply made a factual statement about my experience here that was true enough to hit a nerve with you.

You've seen it all but the best you could come up with is to lube some flashing. Priceless. You are a true master of the ICF.

I don't think you should use all caps - it makes you look unhinged - and watch your language, this is a family forum.

My suggestion - not a "trick" - is to put all the insulation on the outside of the form in order to take advantage of the thermal mass of all that concrete.

Many companies make such forms though most label them commercial.

Some find "outside the box" thinking threatening. Others have their statistics and formulas to imagine what it might be like. Empirical evidence shows it works.

Fine. Whatever. Don't have time for assholes.

You should have taken that position before the child molester thing. I have a right to my opinions as well - and I didn't have to resort to name calling or profanity.

What child molester crap are you talking about????????????????????

Is it my job to read the threads for you??????????????????????

Posted By mojoe on 04 Oct 2018 03:01 AM
My suggestion - not a "trick" - is to put all the insulation on the outside of the form in order to take advantage of the thermal mass of all that concrete.

Many companies make such forms though most label them commercial.

Some find "outside the box" thinking threatening. Others have their statistics and formulas to imagine what it might be like. Empirical evidence shows it works.

InSoFast is a good product that can be used on the outside of any ICF forms, and many, including BuildBlock have insulation that can be added to the inside.

Putting all the insulation on either the outside or the inside does NOT necessarily increase the thermal mass effective R-value of ICF. In our southern Oregon Summer diurnal climates where the highs can be 110 and the lows can be 45, the effective R-value of our BuildBlock ICF which has a conventional R-value of R22 would be reduced from R66 to R44 when all the insulation is placed on either the outside or the inside. You first have to carefully consider the location and climate when accessing ICF performance and there is free software on our website to do that. Using ICF in our Summer climate with a 60ish effective R-value eliminates needing AC altogether. One can certainly get there with SIPs or well-insulated double/single 2x wood wall designs too, but making ignorant or blatantly false statements about ICF isn’t helpful.

Posted By robinnc on 04 Oct 2018 05:24 AM
What child molester crap are you talking about????????????????????

In another thread he's whining about how this is a religiously ICF-centric site, blah blah blah blah.

I expressed my disbelief that someone was trying to start a flame war over a construction method.

Then used the old SouthPark joke about "Show us where on the doll." and he came unglued.

It's fine.  He can flip the hell out all he likes.  It's not like I actually give a damn about the good graces of some jerk on the internet.

Posted By sailawayrb on 04 Oct 2018 03:01 PM
Putting all the insulation on either the outside or the inside does NOT necessarily increase the thermal mass effective R-value of ICF. In our southern Oregon Summer diurnal climates where the highs can be 110 and the lows can be 45, the effective R-value of our BuildBlock ICF which has a conventional R-value of R22 would be reduced from R66 to R44 when all the insulation is placed on either the outside or the inside. You first have to carefully consider the location and climate when accessing ICF performance and there is free software on our website to do that. Using ICF in our Summer climate with a 60ish effective R-value eliminates needing AC altogether. One can certainly get there with SIPs or well-insulated double/single 2x wood wall designs too, but making ignorant or blatantly false statements about ICF isn’t helpful.

Exactly.  I haven't met anyone here who has been preaching ICF as the be-all-end-all of construction techniques.

Merely one in an arsenal.  And like any other construction technique, it's not "perfect" and requires consideration and proper planning around it's "weaknesses" and consideration of the strengths of other techniques.

Sure, twist it until it works for you. You know that you were out of line - apology accepted. I stand by my statements as factual and you can stand by your Southpark style of humor if you so choose. It hardly dignifies the forum. - and I didn't "come unglued", I merely responded. As I recall, you were the one typing in all caps and appearing unhinged.

I imagine you will choose your words more carefully in the future and that will be good for all of us.

Posted By mojoe on 04 Oct 2018 05:11 PM
Sure, twist it until it works for you. You know that you were out of line - apology accepted. I stand by my statements as factual and you can stand by your Southpark style of humor if you so choose. It hardly dignifies the forum. - and I didn't "come unglued", I merely responded. As I recall, you were the one typing in all caps and appearing unhinged.

I imagine you will choose your words more carefully in the future and that will be good for all of us.

Keep on imagining son...

Can you take it elsewhere? Try private messages, the rest of us don't want to hear it.