SIP panel as fence
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23 Jun 2007 10:20 AM
Would like to hear from folks who have used SIP panel to build privacy fence. Have few ideas and looking for experience of others. Issues encountered, design that doesn't work etc., would treat exterior panel with smooth stucco or similar surface. Looking for good ideas there as well. This is for South Louisiana so considerable rainfall and high humidity.
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23 Jun 2007 10:45 AM
Absolutely! a company in Tampa has had great success using aluminum or steel SIPs with structural aluminum posts imbedded in concrete, they use a thick cap over a 3" panel so that it is not easy for anyone to know how thin the panel is

http://www.rhinowallsystems.com/econosip.htm

they then use an elastomeric stucco to finish (NOT STUC-O-FLEX !) it blisters
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23 Jun 2007 01:57 PM
I wouldn't consdier SIPs in this application unless your neighborhood SIP plant is throwing away cutouts. The shipping alone will make this cost prohibitive. You might gain with a SIP surface that can take stucco directly, but would think a block wall would be less expensive inherently. Now if you have some other need like running utilities down a property line, ICFs might give you an opportunity in the void. In our area, you would have panels @$3/ft plus delivery and plates, install would probably run $1/ft, stucco would run $5/ft *2 sides, figure another $1/ft for footing. So you are at $15/sq ft easy. I can have a rock wall built at $5.50/ft turnkey. That is $11/ft both sides and will last better then stucco. If the wall is 100 ft. at 5 ft tall I would save at least $2k and have a product that isn't subject to wind issues. SIPs are meant to be supported at top and bottom so you could end up with stucco and water issues at the bottom joints over time.
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23 Jun 2007 03:05 PM
mmacgowa;

The rhinowallsystem is an engineered system designed to withstand cat 5 hurricanes, and if you can build a rock wall for $5.50 turnkey. I'll take 1000 lft.
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24 Jun 2007 07:05 AM
Chris,

My subs will do it for $5.5/ft. You pay for shipping and I will give you their names. We have a couple local quarries that will provide some whites and yellows. We also have a lot of pink granite. I would give you your 1000 ft of fence free if you would take about 100 ft of my granite issue. If you could just create a quick release for your hurricane attachment.
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24 Jun 2007 09:28 AM
mmacgowa;

isn't turnkey is complete?,

it's not $5.50 for labor + materials + excavation + footer costs

if you are going to do a cost analysis on something you have no knowledge about - please be fair!

FYI -

"turnkey"
Function: adjective
: built, supplied, or installed complete and ready to operate ; also : of or relating to a turnkey building or installation

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25 Jun 2007 08:19 AM
Chris,

You don't have to excavate and provide a footer for some stone walls. You would obviously want to start with a level or at least even surface if using cut edges. Foundation based walls would have to include said price in the turnkey price. Your criticism is pretty extreme considering that you haven't looked at all the possibilities.
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25 Jun 2007 08:28 AM
mmacgowa;

Look at the original post!

for someone in the SIPs business you seem to be anti-SIP and very argumentative

I will not post to this subject again it is counter productive
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25 Jun 2007 05:21 PM
My post was analysis of the original in regard to the local costs that I know. And I think people should look at the options before jumping on the bandwagon. I love SIPs bot don't want to build with them if the numbers don't add up. My views are just trying to be realistic about the issues involved. If someone wants to pay more for a fence because they want to use SIPs, that is great, but they just need to be aware that they are paying more. I have been attacked by others on this site just because a SIP roof may not always be the answer. If someone wants my product because I have done the best job I can of laying out the facts, then great. But I don't want to take advantage of someone just because they are sold on a concept.

As for the original post, we were told that the project was in Southern Louisiana and perhaps that requires a strutural fence, but I just want to make sure that the guy has looked at a block or similar fence before loading up a truck with SIPs when the concrete batch plant down the street might have all the product he needs. Or if the SIP supplier has room to fill up a truck with the requirements of the fence, then the math might just work.
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