HIP ROOF - Internal beams
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17 Dec 2008 11:00 AM
Has any one done this type of project with internal beams to keep the space clear in the room before?

I cant figure out how the spreading or sagging load is carried ??

what type of ridge beam and king rafters will fit and carry a 30 to 40 lbs roof load

what are the connections/attachments to the ridge and wall?

Any help would be greatly appreciated

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17 Dec 2008 12:58 PM
Posted By thebigindian on 12/17/2008 11:00 AM
Has any one done this type of project with internal beams to keep the space clear in the room before?

I cant figure out how the spreading or sagging load is carried ??

what type of ridge beam and king rafters will fit and carry a 30 to 40 lbs roof load

what are the connections/attachments to the ridge and wall?

Any help would be greatly appreciated

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Internal hip beams for Steel SIPs only, loads are transferd to outside walls thru roof panels


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17 Dec 2008 02:40 PM
I'm in the north and we have snow.
I was told that because of a roof snow load that the connection of the king rafters or hip rafters to the ridge beam has to be beefed up cosiderably to keep the roof from sagging or the walls from spreading.
I was looking for an idea of how to do it interal in an 8 or 10 inch panel.
but the question is what do the connections look like at the on the hip rafters at the ridge beam and the top of the wall.







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17 Dec 2008 02:44 PM
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17 Dec 2008 02:49 PM
Posted By thebigindian on 12/17/2008 2:40 PM
I'm in the north and we have snow.
I was told that because of a roof snow load that the connection of the king rafters or hip rafters to the ridge beam has to be beefed up cosiderably to keep the roof from sagging or the walls from spreading.
I was looking for an idea of how to do it interal in an 8 or 10 inch panel.
but the question is what do the connections look like at the on the hip rafters at the ridge beam and the top of the wall.






Unless loads exceed 60# per sq. foot it is not a problem with steel, OSB will not span as far as steel, maybe the OSB guys can offer some insight as to their internal beam supports.
with ours the connections @ the wall and ridge both rest with a flap that is stitch screwed to both.


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17 Dec 2008 05:39 PM
I have a rectangular shaped home using a hip roof.  We have 11 1/2 x 4' x 24' panels and are using an 18"x5" glulam running the long length with two angled buckets on the ends to carry two 14" glulams out to each corner.  I thought it was way overkill as I thought the ridge would just screw together and the load would be spread into the walls.  Wrong (at least in my area with my county) they treated it like some type of lightweight wimpy product and engineered it as a railroad trestle.   I could drive an RV over my house and sleep under it without fear.


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02 Jan 2009 03:48 PM
We did one a couple of years ago and the engineer had us split a wall panel burn out the foam and embed a 2 x 10 at the split seam then piggy back 2 x 6 's each side.. making a hidden post in the wall... the connections were with buckets made from 1/4 inch plate and bolted with 1/2" grade 5 hardware. We ripped bevel strips for top and bottom of the beam for osb nailing.. a lot of work not anticipated by the sip company. ( unload the truck and have a house in 4 days)


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29 Jan 2009 11:27 PM

You have hit on one of the most difficult connection one can do with SIPs.

What I would do for the ridge to hip connection is have 1/2" steel plates welded into a "Y" configuration and slot them into the ridge beam and hip beams and then bolt them. One would have to cut access holes in the panels to manuver the bolts and wrench. For the hip to wall connection I would use a single 1/2" steel plate sloted into the hip beam and an internal lumber post at the panel wall corner and bolt. Again one would have to cut access holes for the bolts and wrench. The beams could be made from 2x lumber or engineered lumber.



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30 Jan 2009 08:49 AM
JeffD;

we have done hip roofs with laminated beams screwed  together at the hip/ridge / valley conections.,no other gussets or support. Fastened 8" steel SIPs with load transfered to outside walls
http://southernsips.com/groover.html

you can seee the beam projected @ the corners

job also features 4ft. cantilevered overhangs


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12 Feb 2009 10:56 PM
Chris,

For a large open spaces say 24' x 32' a more substantial connection is necessary. The forces really start to build up with a space of this size and connection details that resist the spreading or moment forces are required. Solid wood beams and gusset plates are ideal for this as i metioned in my original post.

The groover job you gave a link to does not seem to have internal beams. The panels are sitting on top of the beams from what I can see in the photos. This thread is dealing with internal beams and their connections. Again, this is a tricky configuration and requires a knowledgable SIP designer.





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13 Feb 2009 06:17 AM

Jeff;

You are right

the Groover job did not have an internal beam, but the house was over 3000 sq. ft. of hip vault space
the unsupported hip spans were as much as 32ft. wide with no gusset connections.
Actually the project was done by a St. Petersburg architect and it was his first SIP job




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13 Feb 2009 08:06 AM

The threads do tend to get off course at times, but to get back on track the Hart job was one that had 6" internal hip beams tha spanned 30 ft. with just ridge support



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