charlo
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| 16 May 2011 05:28 AM |
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Hi everyone, currently working on a project for a high rise and trying to see if we can incorporate SCIPs into the internal and external walls due to its speed and excellent load capabilities. I was wondering if anyone has any external (hopefully unbiased) info on high rise applications as most documentation I've seen is mainly geared for houses and low rise buildings. If anyone can point me to the right direction I'd really appreciate it. Any media links would be really helpful as well i.e. videos/pictures.
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cmkavala
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| 16 May 2011 07:06 AM |
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charlo;
these SIPs used for mid rise in Tampa, FL. Developer was Bovis Lend Lease Corp. (white skinned SIPs , plywood is blocking out window openings)

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| Chris Kavala<br>[email protected]<br>1-877-321-SIPS<br /> |
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Fergie
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| 16 May 2011 07:28 AM |
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Not sure if 7 stories is a highrise? However there was a document put out by the Federation of American Scientists back a few years ago I do not have the link but if you check it should be available on their web site.
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cmkavala
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| 16 May 2011 07:43 AM |
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Fergie, we can call it mid rise, sips in either mid or hi-rise are simply curtain wall construction, does not matter how many stories as long as they can take the wind load and wid driven load. Bovis Lend Lease did not rely on the manufacurers test data, instead, at great expense, they had there own testing performed that actually exceeded the manufacturer's testing. |
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Fergie
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| 16 May 2011 07:50 AM |
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Chris I agree that the use eithe on a one or one hundred story structure is the same.
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charlo
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| 16 May 2011 07:52 AM |
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Thanks for the info. I shouldve clarified. SCIPs are definitely good up to a certain story but i am more interested in wall application with a column and beam structure like you see in any high rise. Just want to see how it is applied in action. Thanks |
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Fergie
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| 16 May 2011 08:04 AM |
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Charlo I have worked on some different structures where SIPs have been used as demising walls within the skeleton in the M.E. I don't have pictures but could explain the system perhaps. I have also built using SIPs to five stories personally in Mexico in the eighties on a hotel/motel type of project. contact at [email protected] |
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cmkavala
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| 16 May 2011 08:40 AM |
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Posted By Fergie on 16 May 2011 07:50 AM Chris I agree that the use eithe on a one or one hundred story structure is the same.
actually our system is self supporting on its own up to 3 stories high and have done several where the panels were used "balloon"framed 35ft. tall. It is only with 4 stories on up a cast in place with curtainwall or red-iron frame skeleton with cladding is needed 4 story - steel frame and cladding...............   |
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Fergie
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| 16 May 2011 09:08 AM |
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Over the years I have seen various types of SIPs structures and various types of SIPs with all types of inputs from cement skins, plywood, OSB, metals, aluminum and MGO is now coming into its own as of late. I have seen complete structures walls, floors, and roofs built using SIPs up to eight stories in various countries, where they are somewhat more lax on codes. Some of these were done very well and others well I would not want it near where I lived. The various configurations 2x material, light gauge steel, plastic wood, fiberglass and all the aforementioned face materials which have been used in various places I have seen SIPs being utilized. Really not sure which is truly the best! I myself do hope that research and developments will continue in the industry as it grows around the world. I was first introduced back in 1976 and it changed my thinking on building and still does to this day! |
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jonr
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| 16 May 2011 11:35 AM |
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IMO, scips can be very cost effective in curtain walls. Foam for insulation and then the structural coatings can also serve as the finish coatings. In some very hot climates you want large overhangs/porches all around, so you are going to have posts and beams anyway. |
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charlo
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| 16 May 2011 11:38 AM |
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I guess its hard to find visuals for anything higher than 12 floors. I've seen a lot of videos for just single/double story house but nothing for high rises. |
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cmkavala
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