This 1600 sq. ft. picnic shelter, built by Hope United Methodist Church - Trinity, FL. with all volunteer labor. Designed to withstand 140 MPH winds. although 4" roof panels would have been sufficient, 6" were chosen to muffle rain noise.

I don't mean to offend -- that's a nice-looking structure -- but it doesn't seem like a natural application for SIPs.  What was the motivation for them to choose SIPs for this project?  I'm sure you could also achieve the same wind resistance with more conventional rafters or trusses.

Posted By rnortman on 31 Oct 2012 06:53 PM
I don't mean to offend -- that's a nice-looking structure -- but it doesn't seem like a natural application for SIPs.  What was the motivation for them to choose SIPs for this project?  I'm sure you could also achieve the same wind resistance with more conventional rafters or trusses.

Rnortman;
No offense taken, yes it could be accomplished with wood trusses.
but it is actually an ideal application for a low maintenance pre-finished panel, insulated to shade from the oppressive heat, was able to be installed by unskilled church volunteers off of step ladders,
No crane required

Posted By cmkavala on 31 Oct 2012 08:33 PM

Rnortman;
No offense taken, yes it could be accomplished with wood trusses.
but it is actually an ideal application for a low maintenance pre-finished panel, insulated to shade from the oppressive heat, was able to be installed by unskilled church volunteers off of step ladders,
No crane required

With the steel SIPs there is no wood to deal with, that is another advantage. Exposed wood trusses are a constant maintenance issue.

How did they run the electrical conduit for the lighting?

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Posted By Lbear on 31 Oct 2012 11:48 PM

Posted By cmkavala on 31 Oct 2012 08:33 PM

Rnortman;
No offense taken, yes it could be accomplished with wood trusses.
but it is actually an ideal application for a low maintenance pre-finished panel, insulated to shade from the oppressive heat, was able to be installed by unskilled church volunteers off of step ladders,
No crane required

With the steel SIPs there is no wood to deal with, that is another advantage. Exposed wood trusses are a constant maintenance issue.

How did they run the electrical conduit for the lighting?

I see structures like that often built with a metal structural frame clad with standing seam metal roofing.  Looks real nice.  But I think the main selling point in this case would be the unskilled volunteers, who would not be able to assemble that kind of metal frame reliably in a reasonable amount of time.  So you'd have to do wood, so you'd then have all the problems of wood.  The simplicity of SIPs, particularly pre-finished, is the winning feature here, it seems to me.

Posted By Lbear on 31 Oct 2012 11:48 PM

Posted By cmkavala on 31 Oct 2012 08:33 PM

Rnortman;
No offense taken, yes it could be accomplished with wood trusses.
but it is actually an ideal application for a low maintenance pre-finished panel, insulated to shade from the oppressive heat, was able to be installed by unskilled church volunteers off of step ladders,
No crane required

With the steel SIPs there is no wood to deal with, that is another advantage. Exposed wood trusses are a constant maintenance issue.

How did they run the electrical conduit for the lighting?

Lbear;
the panels have a vertical chase to conceal armored cable.
the wire feeds for the ceiling fans are run thru the hollow box beams
all are concealed under the ridge cap

Posted By cmkavala on 01 Nov 2012 05:00 PM

Lbear;
the panels have a vertical chase to conceal armored cable.
the wire feeds for the ceiling fans are run thru the hollow box beams
all are concealed under the ridge cap

Do they offer 2LB EPS instead of 1LB EPS?

Posted By Lbear on 01 Nov 2012 09:15 PM

Posted By cmkavala on 01 Nov 2012 05:00 PM

Lbear;
the panels have a vertical chase to conceal armored cable.
the wire feeds for the ceiling fans are run thru the hollow box beams
all are concealed under the ridge cap

Do they offer 2LB EPS instead of 1LB EPS?

..........Yes

Hi Chris,

Nice project. Were the posts sunk into the footing or some sort of baseplates used?

Posted By SimonD on 04 Nov 2012 04:40 PM
Hi Chris,

Nice project. Were the posts sunk into the footing or some sort of baseplates used?

Post are set into 2 ft x 2 ft. x 4 ft conc footing with 2 - #5 rebar crossed thru posts

new pic

Nice to see people using the area in sunny Florida.

During a hurricane, are there any extra tie downs that have to be used or is it able to withstand the 140 MPH winds as is? It would seem as though the uplift forces on those panels would be quite intense.

Posted By Lbear on 03 Feb 2013 11:43 PM
Nice to see people using the area in sunny Florida.

During a hurricane, are there any extra tie downs that have to be used or is it able to withstand the 140 MPH winds as is? It would seem as though the uplift forces on those panels would be quite intense.

Lbear,
recently built at my own church in Trinity, FL. with all volunteer labor, was designed for 150 mph