I have customers in Northern Michigan (3 homes),Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, New York (2 homes and one commercial)Ohio
No reported issues

Posted By jtcarroll on 21 Dec 2016 08:03 AM
Yes, that's the maker and the installer.

Thanks for the warning on the butyl and the info on APS 500. I've not purchased any yet.

Your lucky they came back at all, have you called them again?

Yes, it was a battle the first time to get them to acknowledge the issue, then get them out. They suggested better caulked trim around the windows for some time. Too many experiments on my own to prove that wasn't the solution. The attempted fix I described wasn't made until the end of winter, so I didn't get a chance to really see if it worked until this year. I"ve contacted them again 2 days ago. No response back yet.

At least I've learned quite a bit about condensation over the whole process.

That too bad. I didn't think you traveled to this area to do installs. I'm so rural I couldn't find anyone qualified to help put up panels if I just purchased them.

Posted By DavidBrownEnterprises on 18 Dec 2016 08:11 AM
We install and live in a SIPS house. We have experienced the same popping noises during times of the year with temperature changes. This is normal. It is a consequence of expansion and contraction of the panels. As far as we are concerned, it is nothing to be worried about. Wood frame houses do it too. Sometimes it's loud, and sometimes it's barely noticeable.

Never mind found your site did a quick read of your structural testing reports, you have more than most although I did not verify your current design is what has been tested. 26 ga-EPS_26 steel. A urethane film adhesive cure under vacuum I'd want to see testing of that bond line as utrasonic, x-ray, to assure there are no voids or delams. If for any reason moisture/heat gets to that bond line it will fail that includes expansion/contraction under heat/moisture loads I did not find as in hot box life cycle testing on your site, nor the life cycles of your sacrificial corrosion resistant clads. 

Enjoyed the rest of it about outgassing failures. Shocking isn't it how some are fooled into thinking that gas and related failures can be seen and reported before it is too late and the building is staring to collapse. Some even think skins stop outgassing. SIP failers for the most part are not found visually. Loud popping noises are not a good sign. Be interesting to watch how DIYs and mfgs make matters worse.

Posted By PARAHOMES on 21 Dec 2016 08:43 AM

Posted By DavidBrownEnterprises on 18 Dec 2016 08:11 AM
We install and live in a SIPS house. We have experienced the same popping noises during times of the year with temperature changes. This is normal. It is a consequence of expansion and contraction of the panels. As far as we are concerned, it is nothing to be worried about. Wood frame houses do it too. Sometimes it's loud, and sometimes it's barely noticeable.

Never mind found your site did a quick read of your structural testing reports, you have more than most although I did not verify your current design is what has been tested. 26 ga-EPS_26 steel. A urethane film adhesive cure under vacuum I'd want to see testing of that bond line as utrasonic, x-ray, to assure there are no voids or delams. If for any reason moisture/heat gets to that bond line it will fail that includes expansion/contraction under heat/moisture loads I did not find as in hot box life cycle testing on your site, nor the life cycles of your sacrificial corrosion resistant clads. 

Enjoyed the rest of it about outgassing failures. Shocking isn't it how some are fooled into thinking that gas and related failures can be seen and reported before it is too late and the building is staring to collapse. Some even think skins stop outgassing. SIP failers for the most part are not found visually. Loud popping noises are not a good sign. Be interesting to watch how DIYs and mfgs make matters worse.

Delamination issues ................ the reason I stopped using Structall in 2004,
the vacuum bag process is inconsistent and susceptible to temperature / time , they do not manufacture in a temperature controlled environment

Someone needs to come up with a CFRP (Carbon Graphite design) CFRP honeycomb filled compatible core)....Highest Strength Weight out there, best corrosion resistance, highest cost of graphite is coming down, but may be worth less failures.

Oh, reallly...yes it all s/b in a controlled environmental "clean room" ....When I worked liaison we inspected and injected them with a foam adhesive, or the skins have to come off it they are too large and another film cure. Voids/delams are inevitble in vacuum or pressure plate cures. 

Posted By jtcarroll on 21 Dec 2016 08:25 AM
Yes, it was a battle the first time to get them to acknowledge the issue, then get them out. They suggested better caulked trim around the windows for some time. Too many experiments on my own to prove that wasn't the solution. The attempted fix I described wasn't made until the end of winter, so I didn't get a chance to really see if it worked until this year. I"ve contacted them again 2 days ago. No response back yet.

At least I've learned quite a bit about condensation over the whole process.

That too bad. I didn't think you traveled to this area to do installs. I'm so rural I couldn't find anyone qualified to help put up panels if I just purchased them.

with Simmons it is "BUYER BEWARE"
he actually used to bring people to my job site when I wasn't around and pass the job off as his own, to add insult to injury then used my project photos on his own website photobucket link , about 8 years ago the licensing board revoked his builders license in Florida, all public information, not sure how you found this guy but sorry for your experience, but I can tell you there are many bad stories out there , consider yourself lucky it didn't turn out worse

I'm in a completely different climate (we're in the gulf south) with a metal SIP home, but we do have a lot of humidity that likes to condense on cold steel when the temps occasionally dip. So I'm just offering my input/experience for what it's worth.

I caulked all the panel seams from the outside with an exterior water-based adhesive/sealant that is flexible when cured. I also applied a peel and stick membrane between the roof panels and the standing seam roof. Moved in five years ago and and so far so good!

Posted By cmkavala on 21 Dec 2016 07:58 AM

most likely yours are Precision Foam Fabricators ,
your installation is most likely the culprit and not the panel, if I'm not mistaken the install was done by Simmons?

Does PFF use PermaTherm SIPS or do they manufacture their own steel SIPS?

Posted By Lbear on 22 Dec 2016 01:53 AM

Posted By cmkavala on 21 Dec 2016 07:58 AM

most likely yours are Precision Foam Fabricators ,
your installation is most likely the culprit and not the panel, if I'm not mistaken the install was done by Simmons?

Does PFF use PermaTherm SIPS or do they manufacture their own steel SIPS?

LBEAR,
PFF and Permatherm are two separate companies and they manufacture their own* SIPs.
there design is almost identical, however PFF now has a second machine with a totally different profile,I don't care for it, and wouldn't want to use it especially on roofs
*Permatherm has run Stainless Steel panels for PFF., but not regular steel.

so now that I mention this I don't know which profile jtcarroll has in his roof without seeing an end cut

Posted By Jelly on 21 Dec 2016 09:00 PM
I'm in a completely different climate (we're in the gulf south) with a metal SIP home, but we do have a lot of humidity that likes to condense on cold steel when the temps occasionally dip. So I'm just offering my input/experience for what it's worth.

I caulked all the panel seams from the outside with an exterior water-based adhesive/sealant that is flexible when cured. I also applied a peel and stick membrane between the roof panels and the standing seam roof. Moved in five years ago and and so far so good!

Jelly,
I believe his condensation is on the inside of the house,
your house and mine being in the deep south , we experience condensation on the exterior surfaces ,,,(Dew) because they are such a great insulator, frost will appear on my shingles more often than my neighbors