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Maznitsky
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| 16 May 2017 09:08 AM |
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Hi!
I am going to build an bumblebeee production plant in Ukraine. Please tell me if i have 70-80% of humidity in rooms and +27C all time long 24/7/365 - does OSB panels (SIP) start to evaporate any pvc or other components? Does it will not crack or ruin with such humidity and temperature over 5 years?
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cmkavala
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| 16 May 2017 12:08 PM |
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Posted By Maznitsky on 16 May 2017 09:08 AM
Hi!
I am going to build an bumblebeee production plant in Ukraine. Please tell me if i have 70-80% of humidity in rooms and +27C all time long 24/7/365 - does OSB panels (SIP) start to evaporate any pvc or other components? Does it will not crack or ruin with such humidity and temperature over 5 years?
Thank you in advance!
OSB would not survive long term exposure to that environment , there are other skins that are available for use in extreme environmental conditions, we have supplied panels for environmental chambers used by Ford Motor Co. to test vehicles in extreme heat and cold, high and low humidity cycling we have also supplied panels used for wood kilns that are under constant heat 60 degrees Celsius and high humidity. I will private message you information |
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Maznitsky
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| 16 May 2017 01:55 PM |
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Hello!
I've found that not only steel but foam core also is produced with
Expanded Polystyrene (EPS) with HBCD*
Extruded Polystyrene (XPS) produced with HBCD*
Polyurethane Foam (PUR) produced with chlorinated phosphate flame retardants**
*HBCD: hexabromocyclododecane - a brominated fire retardant classified by the European Union (REACH program) as persistant, bioaccumulative, and toxic (PBT).
**Not as hazardous as most brominated flame retardants, but health and environmental concerns still exist.
Source: BuildingGreen Insulation Report
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cmkavala
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| 16 May 2017 06:15 PM |
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Posted By Maznitsky on 16 May 2017 01:55 PM
Hello!
I've found that not only steel but foam core also is produced with
Expanded Polystyrene (EPS) with HBCD*
Extruded Polystyrene (XPS) produced with HBCD*
Polyurethane Foam (PUR) produced with chlorinated phosphate flame retardants**
*HBCD: hexabromocyclododecane - a brominated fire retardant classified by the European Union (REACH program) as persistant, bioaccumulative, and toxic (PBT).
**Not as hazardous as most brominated flame retardants, but health and environmental concerns still exist.
Source: BuildingGreen Insulation Report
So what about bioaccumulative, and toxic (PBT)? Thank you.
Maznitsky, our panels are EPS and would be happy to email you all the technical data, pretty confident that they are as safe as a panel that is on the market, I've lived within the EPS envelope for over 20 years and so far have not grown a third eye the painted Galvalume skins are USDA approved and used in many agricultural buildings, food processing plants, surgical manufacturing facilities and in some countries used as the finish in hospital operating rooms. EPS SPECS
http://www.permatherm.net/images/stories/Library/Technical/PermaTherm_Green_EPS.pdf |
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PARAHOMES
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| 18 May 2017 10:49 AM |
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OSB would not survive long term exposure to that environment.
A good rule of thumb is RH above 80% creates risk. @ 100% saturation past its max moisture content MMC for prolonged periods of time creates the highest mold risk that breaks down the bonding adhesives first and gets to the organic cellulose. OSB has a little better MMC and sorption rates than plywood due to isotropic properties vs quasi.
There are other skins that are available for use in extreme environmental conditions, we have supplied panels for environmental chambers used by Ford Motor Co. to test vehicles in extreme heat and cold, high and low humidity cycling.
This means nothing since the chamber is not the unit under test (UUT). We have many in the multi-million dollar test lab I currently work in. I have two chamber test going on. One is a thin plastic box testing the life of a laminated drive belt @ +90F/-40 F, a bigger one made of 4” foam, AL .040 outer skins, tin foil inner to distribute heat well is all that’s needed, HVAC @ -67/+160 F. They do fine. The hoisting weight of steel makes no sense.
Just because EPS may have passed some factory bench test means nothing unless it has been tested inert, completely non-reactive. Once manufactures bond adhesives to it, all that component level testing is null and void, now we are into structures system level testing. To validate that in these kinds of conditions, international climates, takes a lot more testing as noted above now that you mentioned it, putting SIPs not Ford products as the UUT. Hot box testing would accelerate this process, along with comprehensive field testing I could not find. We have centuries of metal bond data in auto/aero that conflict w/AEC roof findings Metal requires too much maintenance, inspection cycles less than 5 years, for international climates. I’ve been designing-building them for around 30 years. That’s why many OEMS have gone to carbon fiber reinforced plastics w/better strength-to-weight and corrosion resistance.
In general galvanized or ALCLAD steel does not do well in this type of environment either. I did find some limited testing that does not prove a whole lot. I like to get some into our lab but it won’t be cheap. Galvalume, bonds lines, joints, all need to be properly instrument and tested by a qualified test engineer like myself, the as built assemble before making the claims you have.
http://www.metalconstruction.org/index.php/media-center/press-releases/metal-roofs-can-last-60-years
I’d suggest a support frame/batt or concrete construction based on cost, with 2-4” thick of continuous interior lime plaster no vapor barriers or retarders. Earth plaster can also be very effective. Lime acts as a good interior climate buffer & CO2 absorption improves it, makes it hard as a rock over time and it looks real nice, you can pigment it with earth or iron oxides and it's been proven world wide for centuries. In America we use the American Limes Website for guideance, specs. With those conditions you will probably see free enthalpy energy. The bees will appreciate natural materials :) You won't find those properties in wood or metal. In the US Type S, over where you’re at perhaps Natural Hydraulic Lime, NHL 2.5 scratch coat, 3.5 brown, NHL 5 thin finish for durability. If you can find a good plaster trade they should know. Outer cladings can be whatever has proven to work there. Good luck with those bees. Eeek!
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PARAHOMES
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| 18 May 2017 11:28 AM |
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cmkavala
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| 18 May 2017 12:05 PM |
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you would be hard pressed to find plaster being used anywhere for clean indoor environment applications or the tset data to support your claims for the use but you will find galvalume panels widely used across the globe for: clean rooms:  Pharmaceutical storage:  food processing :
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PARAHOMES
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| 19 May 2017 09:40 AM |
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"you would be hard pressed to find plaster being used anywhere for clean indoor environment applications or the tset data to support your claims for the use"
You're kidding right. Limestone, concrete of sorts dates back for centuries all kinds of data. Not dating back nearly as far in AEC, lots of current data on metal bonds and SIPs applications even on this site with lots of issues including excessive deflection, rotting of joints & bond lines, fungi, corrosion that has lots of data in auto/aerospace/powersports.
Just because you sold some to someone does not replace an instrumented climate chamber and/or international field test to proven global applications. Word of advice, don't assume everyone is that dumb out here or a client you fooled.
Buyers beware - There are risk with any construction method. Any sales person that does not identify the is hiding or a lair. One good sign is when they point to non-instrumented applications with no data logging. There is no perfect construction method or product and that definitely applies to SIPS.
Post the Quality Test Report (QTR) of your design? Fully instrumented including bond line lives, joint temp & humidity, fungi, acidic atmosphere, freeze-thaw, structural test to the appropriate global standards.
Be more careful what you post next or don't post at all, I do this for a living.
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cmkavala
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| 19 May 2017 12:25 PM |
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Posted By PARAHOMES on 19 May 2017 09:40 AM
"you would be hard pressed to find plaster being used anywhere for clean indoor environment applications or the tset data to support your claims for the use"
You're kidding right. Limestone, concrete of sorts dates back for centuries all kinds of data. Not dating back nearly as far in AEC, lots of current data on metal bonds and SIPs applications even on this site with lots of issues including excessive deflection, rotting of joints & bond lines, fungi, corrosion that has lots of data in auto/aerospace/powersports.
Just because you sold some to someone does not replace an instrumented climate chamber and/or international field test to proven global applications. Word of advice, don't assume everyone is that dumb out here or a client you fooled.
Buyers beware - There are risk with any construction method. Any sales person that does not identify the is hiding or a lair. One good sign is when they point to non-instrumented applications with no data logging. There is no perfect construction method or product and that definitely applies to SIPS.
Post the Quality Test Report (QTR) of your design? Fully instrumented including bond line lives, joint temp & humidity, fungi, acidic atmosphere, freeze-thaw, structural test to the appropriate global standards.
Be more careful what you post next or don't post at all, I do this for a living.
Yes ,I do this for a living too steel does not promote mold growth period , however your plaster design with wood or masonry walls does. |
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PARAHOMES
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| 19 May 2017 04:51 PM |
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Pretty much the response I expected no testing no proof, just hersay. I’d expect by the way you are portraying your SIPS product you stand behind your claims with an unconditional at least 50 year global warranty to pay in full, all health related, demolition, or any related cost to remove and replace? Post the warranty? Explains your website, lots of pretty pics no data but, you want it for lime that’s burnt in a kiln @ over 1700 F (926 C) you claim has organic matter when in fact it’s non-reactive & inert. Here is the data, call or email them for more, http://www.limes.us/technical-info/tests-research/ http://lime.org/publications/free-downloads/ Due to extreme properties of NHL imported from Europe, they are expensive here is the states. Our type S mortars, or as noted by ALA based on application, have a long history of similar properties. I’m done debating with a lack of knowledge. Fungi production or score directly correlates to moisture accumulations of liquid or vapor, condensation on steel being high, especially at the bond lines due to void/delams the manufacture did not inspect or correct, or gains from penetrations, cut-outs, joints, etc. EPS has a low deflection properties, if it cracks from roof spans, depending on specific loads, it produces fungi at the void/migrations that degrade the entire panel in time, causing serious heath or injury, or costly repairs. Speaking of concrete, Galvalume does not does like it or alkali environments that can remove its sacrificial corrosive hot coat prematurely. Two components, the zinc breaks down due to galvanic reactions, meaning it does not have to be in contact with concrete (footing's, slabs, etc) that produces the atmosphere. It’s an electric charge over a distance and/or the AL coating scratches and the steel becomes as susceptible. The standard does not address all related safety issues, and the manufacture needs to show proof of conforming to the standard in the field. https://www.astm.org/Standards/A792.htm 1.8 This standard does not purport to address all of the safety concerns, if any, associated with its use. It is the responsibility of the user of this standard to establish appropriate safety and health practices and determine the applicability of regulatory limitations prior to use. More good reads,
Galvalume corrosion failure in alkaline environments: AL vs Galvalume Roof CoatingsLots of info on roofs, little to none on SIP, totally different application hence the lack of proven history, testing. If you go this route you will be part of the manufactures field testing vs costly hot box lab testing the mfg failed to pay for on their particular product. That’s how that works, as ASTM accurately states, other designs (ie: roof cladings) cannot be substituted, the UUT(SIPS) has to be conformed and cannot be changed without being re-conformed and tested. So test are meaningless unless they are conformed to the current design that is being installed in the field. That’s the skins, the joints are moisture & heat traps that promote mold growth, just goggle this site and the internet. The way to test that is the manufactures pays a lab to by applicable spores based on ISO/ASTM standards that determine its resistance level yielding a score of 0-10, zero being inert/non-reactive like lime. The term “fungi-or mold-resistance” can mean a lot of the things and, once the test unit (ie: galvalume skins) is mated to another materials (adhesives, EPS) they all have to be retested as an assembly at conditions seen in service, globally that means extreme! Another all natural product that should perform extremely well with a lime plaster in Nexium (aka: Durisol). Contact them for testing @ Waterloo University. They have petrified their cellulose aggregate and use inert mineral wool insulation, with an encapsulated concrete core, lots of clean hygrothermal mass. I’d use fiberglass or basalt rebar if affordable. A water management system like all construction is critical. Ok, unless the OP has questions I’m done debating with hearsay and sales hype which I’m sure there will be more of. |
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cmkavala
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| 19 May 2017 08:48 PM |
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Here ya go sparky ,......... we have many coatings available over our panels besides the painted galvalume , suited for the most extreme environmental conditions and we also have stainless steel Ceramastar
Plastisol Coating
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PARAHOMES
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| 20 May 2017 01:47 PM |
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Sparky? Here comes the name calling I’m use to when people can’t handle
the tech content, don’t get me started. I warned you to stop posting,
you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper in a hole. I suggest you go
get a qualified engineer to debate this with me, you obviously are not. I
can’t resist this is too entertaining and fun! Due to the OPs lack of
interest now, I’m half convinced this thread is sales staged. I’ll
make one thing clear to the readers you see often in sales hype is
manufactures posting specs without identifying two major component’s. 1.The third party lab that performed the test and their contact info. 2.The third party that spot checks the final assemble line to inspect the current product is as tested.
So again, as I said above “component level” testing that is
not conformed by a third party is worthless. ASTM, ISO, etc, provides the
standard, they do not guarantee they are adhered to or address all safety, health, issues.
Let’s assume the mfg. adhered to the skin component standard
and those are the unit properties. They are pretty pathetic and nowhere close to
the claims above, not even remotely.
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No more than few blisters @ 100% humidity, 100F
after 1500 hours? Cycle that for 50 years to real life loads, coating will be
gone and unlike a roof panel cladding replacing won’t be cheap. R&R the entire panel.
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The 2000 hr. accelerated weather chalk &
color test, same, inconclusive, not applicable…we need 50 year on Galvalume as built installed
finish.
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5 year Florida exposure @ 45 deg south, great
I’ll do my best on the orientation, try 0 degree south and international climate zones @ all orientations. #8s blisters how many? 20% film
loss…How about 50 year cycles? Gone! R&R.
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1 year EMMAQUA Testing isn’t going to cut IF
they even did it nor is “superior results” a numeric value. Let me guess
Permatherm or sales opinion.
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1 hour Alkali test with “minimal effect”, in
other words total loss of coating over a short life cycle. This is one of the biggest risk according to test data, makes sense to only show 1 hours worth of testing. Hide it.
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1000 hours of salt fog inconclusive. I’m doing
one of these now.
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No microbial, freeze-thaw, ice, condensation, wind driven rain, hail, vibration & seismic, testing
to support the claims above.
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Bear in mind people upper level test specs allow for separate component level testing IF certain criteria is meet, or, a qualified test engineer determines the environmental loads are being simulated by analysis of individual results, these test fail miserable, otherwise, combined (salt-fog,
alkali-acid atmospheres, temp & humidity, sand & dust, solar radiation, fungi, etc) are
required here usually in a hot box.
The coating test are standalone component level not combined
nor cycled to average building lives. In short cycles the tensile and flex
modulus looks extremely low, no FATIGUE testing by looks at tensile/flex is low
too, EPS will be lower making the skins worse, and we need creep properties low
too or undefined risk.
We still have yet to see third party “Bonded Assemble
Properties” lab & international field testing to a standard IF one even exist
to validate the claims above.
The 1 year warranty says it all, supports my interpretation
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All PermaTherm's structural insulated panel products are warranted to
be free from defects in materials and workmanship for a period of one year
from the date of shipment. A certain amount of "waviness" or
"oil canning" is inherent in any product made from sheet metal (EPS
low delection and creep allowables will accelerate). Installation of large areas of metal panels or
installation of panels to misaligned structures will cause unnatural
stresses, increasing the likelihood of oil canning (this is very likely unless
high dollar factory FAJs assmble jig tooling are used in a controlled environment which they are
not, initial seal compressions or migration over time, alignment, matting skins joints, @ panel max compression deflections being the highest risk)
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stucco-like embossed texture in a precoated material will reduce the visual
effect of oil canning (hide anomalies). Oil canning does not affect the structural or thermal integrity
of the panel (but bonded panel assembly deflection & creep, fatigue, fungi,
does)
Minor
waviness of the panel does not indicate a defective panel and is not a
cause for product refusal ( voids and delams in this area need to be NDI). Minor
blisters can sometimes occur when the panel's exterior face is exposed to the
sun (not just the sun according to your own test results). This is
caused by the thermal expansion of a blowing agent (toxic food for fungi? Where
is the testing?), which is trapped under the panel face (Wow!,
you’re kidding right? Bingo! Need lots more info here). This is a common
phenomenon (not at all) and is easily repaired and is not a
cause for product refusal. Repaired? By who?
Finish panels are free of surface imperfections (dents, mars,
scratches, etc.) (likely panels scratch at construction exposing the steel,
there s/b an installation chem treat (usually alodine) spec) and visible with panel
in position of intended use and view under good light from intended installed
distance or 8 ft., whichever is greater. (8 ft visual inspect? Your kidding!) Typical ISO/ASTM bond panel specs call for NDI (UT, XRAY) and destructive coupon testing of all dents, voids, delams) as part of first qual testing, QA inspections by third party & submitted to materials engineers for evaluation, which can result in costly reword to bond tooling and/or processes, rework by service bulletins to correct products in the field usually by inspecting & injecting the bond lines void or delam.
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Looks like your Ford client engineers were not impressed
either, they got wise,
Converting to all-new high-strength, military-grade, and
aluminum alloy slashed the weight of the body.
ALCLAD has much better
properties for environmental loads with a longer proven history. Aero/Auto is
moving to it, for strength-to-weight carbon or graphite although it can be
expensive depending on if Aero is purchasing it, and it has point load issues
need Kevlar(7 xs stronger than steel) outer ply, or nanotube tech will be
interesting to watch developed. The great thing about plies is the versatily of lay-up directions to take out just about any loads, not just compression & deflection.
http://www.ford.com/trucks/super-duty/2017/
Anyone want to buy a
loaded 2008 6.4 dual turbo F-450 King Ranch dually, soon as I sell 2017 350
dually time :)
Stainless has better corrosion
resistant properties depending on grade. That’s right I said “resistance” not
proofing. It’s not if it’s when it corrodes and it’s expensive not making it
worth the cost in these applications. The cost is better suited to its
extremely high mechanical properties or in fuel, hydraulic, contaminated fluid
applications. I’m currently in the middle of this testing too with sealants
also used in these AEC applications are failing at short 5 year lives.
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If any manufacture wants to get a head of the competition I
suggest you start instrumenting your builds. SMT can design the system at an
affordable price, or I can but I’m currently unavailable – booked.
http://www.smtresearch.ca/case-studies/passive-house-performance-monitoring Thanks for the info, its been real! ;) You may want to try sales hype blogs @ GBA, pay them royalties or something, not working to good here :)
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cmkavala
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| 20 May 2017 04:31 PM |
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Mr. Anonymous,
sorry you take offense ,don't be so thin skinned!
I could have called you, pal, sport, etc., you seem to like to remain unknown .
I have always disclosed my identity , please enlighten us as to who you are and what your qualifications are so we can get you an engineer worthy of discussions you.
thus far your posted links are of no value to the discussion of "SIP construction"
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PARAHOMES
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| 20 May 2017 05:22 PM |
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Mr. Anonymous,
sorry you take offense ,don't be so thin skinned!
No offense taken, sales hype as I said is very entertaining. Love it! Lol…
I could have called you, pal, sport, etc., you seem to like to remain unknown .
Call me what you want won’t change the facts.
I have always disclosed my identity , please enlighten us as to who you are and what your qualifications are so we can get you an engineer worthy of discussions you.
Nor will this, my qualifications I stated already there is nobody you will find to rebute the facts you posted I put into perspective. 30+ year of engineering-building-testing SIP metal and composite bond assemblies for the most extreme international climate zones. OEM consultant.
thus far your posted links are of no value to the discussion of "SIP construction
I didn’t think you’d like the facts I posted, you were warned, and they have everything to do with SIPS construction, just not sales support.
Here is some more failed SIPS info to help sales, I know, “no value to the discussion of "SIP construction”
Hahaha!
http://www.greenbuildingtalk.com/Forums/tabid/53/aff/5/aft/84140/afv/topic/afpgj/1/Default.aspx#153870
http://www.greenbuildingtalk.com/Forums/tabid/53/aff/5/aft/83955/afv/topic/Default.aspx
http://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/59518/A-Building-Enclosure-Double-Disaster-Control-Freaks-Missing-Again
http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/guest-blogs/sip-roof-repair-wisconsin
http://www.greenbuildingtalk.com/Forums/tabid/53/aff/5/aft/84251/afv/topic/Default.aspx
I'll stop there plenty more where that came from,
Metal/Wood foam core bond SIPs = Bad Design period!
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| 03 Jun 2017 07:38 PM |
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Why hasn't Parahomes been banned here, like everywhere else?
At first I felt sorry for him, because of the obvious Asbergers, but it isn't just that, he's a horrible, rude, disgusting insect who has run many people off, and is ruining this board.
Take your ugly insults elsewhere, Parahomes. And seek help. |
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Posted By cmkavala on 03 Jun 2017 10:22 PM
Maznitsky, you will find this to be a credible resource for building materials and resistance to mold .........
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3131638/
Note: the worst according to the report is plaster and concrete
That is a good Quality Test Report from a Danish homes study, But once again you have to be qualified to interpret the data and reports. "because most Danish houses have brick walls leveled with plaster, coated with wallpaper, and then painted."
That is why they are seeing several spores. We in the USA use totally different synthetic plasters or natural limes, there are at least 5 grades mined from limestone rock and burnt in a kiln @ ~ 1800F that are completely fungi-inert. If you looked at the American Lime Associations website I posted you can see. As I said above, Europe uses entirely different NHLs, also fungi-inert, and they manufacture different synthetics perhaps not, depends. That variations can be drastic world wide. If you are wondering about American made limes, call a manufacture ask for an Engineer they will provide fungi test or analysis. I've had many great conversations with them. You have to be careful like any manufacture of any product, each product has to be conformed and tested by third party and if it mates or changed configuration it has to be redone.
SIPs nor ICF were not included. Take note back in 2011 "15-40%" of "AMERICAN" homes have
fungi, chances are many on this site are living in them, now I'm sure it is much higher and I would not assume SIPS/ICF
took those numbers down and the air seal movement improved matters. Much of it won't be seen as evident as this test, we have more interstitial layers than most in the world it can be inside the walls leaching out, ISIAQ Microbiologist are uncovering. I'm too lazy to dig out the latest reports.
As I have proved many times, the standards discourage statistical analysis methods, like the Danish proved here, when materials are matted together since they produce more spores, it can get very complicated, and people that are not qualified should not mating materials together they don't understand. As you can see, there are proven health risk which contradicts the last document you posted.
All of that data and more has been uploaded to the lasted 3.1 version on Wufi-Bio. We can now do simulations to show these risk of matted materials, and, WIFI-COR now does concrete corrosion and other bonded assemblies, such as the life expectancy or toxicity of gulvalume glued to polystyrene (which is not a "green" material" and has a high risk of being a fungi source after manufacture), along with any other chem treat reactions, or, environmental loads. Fungi is not the only concern, VOCs, MVOC as noted, airborne metallic particles from metal bonds or treated steels, rebar, aluminum, iron, etc...... WUFI breaks down its material properties into many world wide countries because of the variations, Europe is big on bricks. They worked with ORNL, ASHRAE 160, to develop the American library, and PHIUS path, vs PHPP.
So we are making IT progress not found in code. The gap will only get larger since as you can see from this report, it is to complex to tabulate.
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| 04 Jun 2017 05:16 PM |
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Posted By Robertson on 03 Jun 2017 07:38 PM
Why hasn't Parahomes been banned here, like everywhere else?
At first I felt sorry for him, because of the obvious Asbergers, but it isn't just that, he's a horrible, rude, disgusting insect who has run many people off, and is ruining this board.
Take your ugly insults elsewhere, Parahomes. And seek help.
Here is who Moderator 7 is, has nothing to offer these boards
technically as seen by the many worthless post, a real troll hypocrite! A
child! A lonely crackhead that has nobody locally so comes out the
internet to make cyber-buddies, successfully preys on low IQ weak minded
followers that ignore facts & can't think for themselves by reading
the data or lack of it in kind to follow the tribal knowledge possy,
even on a Saturday night, pathetic! Foam sales, supporter, homeowner, or
GBA foam sales, that does not like the obvious indisputable technically
facts about foam I present, or a GBA the biggest foam pushier on the
internet implant that does not know what they are doing to peoples
health by suggesting it's use.
There's nothing to appreciate here except what I post. Facts about foam
should be appreciated but those that want to profit or made the mistake
of using it without all the facts, as seen in the toxic OPs won't like what I
post as the issue, foam!. Who cares! I don't!!! I haven't been banned anywhere, not that it matters I'll continue to post the facts about foam and GBA all over the internet as I already do. There is nothing anyone can do about it, love the insults, just gives me more fuel. Enjoy! :) |
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